From: "Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
"Justin Suess" <utilityemal77@gmail.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
Tingmao Wang <m@maowtm.org>,
Samasth Norway Ananda <samasth.norway.ananda@oracle.com>,
Matthieu Buffet <matthieu@buffet.re>,
Mikhail Ivanov <ivanov.mikhail1@huawei-partners.com>,
konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com,
Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Tahera Fahimi <fahimitahera@gmail.com>,
Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] landlock: Pathname-based UNIX connect() control
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 21:53:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260112.a7f8e16a6573@gnoack.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260112.Wufar9coosoo@digikod.net>
Thanks for the review!
On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 05:08:02PM +0100, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2026 at 03:32:55PM +0100, Günther Noack wrote:
> > ## Alternatives and Related Work
> >
>
> > ### Alternative: Use existing LSM hooks
> >
> > The existing hooks security_unix_stream_connect(),
> > security_unix_may_send() and security_socket_connect() do not give
> > access to the resolved file system path.
> >
> > Resolving the file system path again within Landlock would in my
> > understanding produce a TOCTOU race, so making the decision based on
> > the struct sockaddr_un contents is not an option.
> >
> > It is tempting to use the struct path that the listening socket is
> > bound to, which can be acquired through the existing hooks.
> > Unfortunately, the listening socket may have been bound from within a
> > different namespace, and it is therefore a path that can not actually
> > be referenced by the sandboxed program at the time of constructing the
> > Landlock policy. (More details are on the Github issue at [6] and on
> > the LKML at [9]).
>
> Please move (or duplicate) this rationale in the patch dedicated to the
> new hook. It helps patch review (and to understand commits when already
> merged).
Justin, would you like to look into this?
Please feel free to copy the wording.
> > ### Related work: Scope Control for Pathname Unix Sockets
> >
> > The motivation for this patch is the same as in Tingmao Wang's patch
> > set for "scoped" control for pathname Unix sockets [2], originally
> > proposed in the Github feature request [5].
> >
> > In my reply to this patch set [3], I have discussed the differences
> > between these two approaches. On the related discussions on Github
> > [4] and [5], there was consensus that the scope-based control is
> > complimentary to the file system based control, but does not replace
> > it. Mickael's opening remark on [5] says:
> >
> > > This scoping would be complementary to #36 which would mainly be
> > > about allowing a sandboxed process to connect to a more privileged
> > > service (identified with a path).
> >
> > ## Open questions in V2
> >
> > Seeking feedback on:
> >
> > - Feedback on the LSM hook name would be appreciated. We realize that
> > not all invocations of the LSM hook are related to connect(2) as the
> > name suggests, but some also happen during sendmsg(2).
>
> Renaming security_unix_path_connect() to security_unix_find() would look
> appropriate to me wrt the caller.
Justin, this is also on your commit. (I find security_unix_find() and
security_unix_resolve() equally acceptable options.)
> > - Feedback on the structuring of the Landlock access rights, splitting
> > them up by socket type. (Also naming; they are now consistently
> > called "RESOLVE", but could be named "CONNECT" in the stream and
> > seqpacket cases?)
>
> I don't see use cases where differenciating the type of unix socket
> would be useful. LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_RESOLVE_UNIX would look good to me.
I did it mostly because it seemed consistent with the TCP and (soon)
UDP controls, which are also controls specific to the socket type and
not just the address family. But I agree that the granularity is
likely not needed here. I can change it back for v3 and rename it to
LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_RESOLVE_UNIX.
> What would be the inverse of "resolve" (i.e. to restrict the server
> side)? Would LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_MAKE_SOCK be enough?
Yes, that would be enough. My reasoning is as follows:
The server-side operation that is related to associating the service
with a given file system name is bind(2), and that is restrictable in
that case using LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_MAKE_SOCK.
Also, to my delight (and other than in TCP), listening on an unbound
socket does not work (see unix_listen() in af_unix.c):
if (!READ_ONCE(u->addr))
goto out; /* No listens on an unbound socket */
(You can get it to "autobind" during an explicit bind() or a connect()
call, but that creates an abstract UNIX address. (Documented in
socket(7) and implemented in unix_autobind() in af_unix.c))
–Günther
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-12 20:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-10 14:32 [PATCH v2 0/5] landlock: Pathname-based UNIX connect() control Günther Noack
2026-01-10 14:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] lsm: Add hook unix_path_connect Günther Noack
2026-01-10 16:45 ` Justin Suess
2026-01-11 9:55 ` Günther Noack
2026-01-13 22:51 ` Paul Moore
2026-01-13 23:30 ` Paul Moore
2026-01-13 9:34 ` Christian Brauner
2026-01-13 23:27 ` Paul Moore
2026-01-15 10:10 ` Günther Noack
2026-01-15 21:24 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-01-15 22:32 ` Günther Noack
2026-01-15 21:46 ` Paul Moore
2026-01-12 16:08 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] landlock: Pathname-based UNIX connect() control Mickaël Salaün
2026-01-12 20:53 ` Günther Noack [this message]
2026-01-17 18:57 ` Justin Suess
2026-01-18 17:44 ` Günther Noack
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