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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>
Cc: Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org" <linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	KY Srinivasan <kys@microsoft.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>,
	Dexuan Cui <DECUI@microsoft.com>, Long Li <longli@microsoft.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Konstantin Taranov <kotaranov@microsoft.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Erni Sri Satya Vennela <ernis@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Shradha Gupta <shradhagupta@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Saurabh Sengar <ssengar@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Aditya Garg <gargaditya@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Dipayaan Roy <dipayanroy@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Shiraz Saleem <shirazsaleem@microsoft.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Rosswurm <paulros@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PATCH V2,net-next, 1/2] net: mana: Add support for coalesced RX packets on CQE
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:14:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260115181434.4494fe9f@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SA3PR21MB38673CA4DDE618A5D9C4FA99CA8CA@SA3PR21MB3867.namprd21.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 19:57:44 +0000 Haiyang Zhang wrote:
> > > When coalescing is enabled, the device waits for packets which can
> > > have the CQE coalesced with previous packet(s). That coalescing process
> > > is finished (and a CQE written to the appropriate CQ) when the CQE is
> > > filled with 4 pkts, or time expired, or other device specific logic is
> > > satisfied.  
> > 
> > See, what I'm afraid is happening here is that you are enabling
> > completion coalescing (how long the device keeps the CQE pending).
> > Which is _not_ what rx_max_coalesced_frames controls for most NICs.
> > For most NICs rx_max_coalesced_frames controls IRQ generation logic.
> > 
> > The NIC first buffers up CQEs for typically single digit usecs, and
> > then once CQE timer exipred and writeback happened it starts an IRQ
> > coalescing timer. Once the IRQ coalescing timer expires IRQ is
> > triggered, which schedules NAPI. (broad strokes, obviously many
> > differences and optimizations exist)
> > 
> > Is my guess correct? Are you controlling CQE coalescing>
> > 
> > Can you control the timeout instead of the frame count?  
> 
> Our NIC's timeout value cannot be controlled by driver. Also, the
> timeout may be changed in future NIC HW.
> 
> So, I use the ethtool/rx-frames, which is either 1 or 4 on our
> NIC, to switch the CQE coalescing feature on/off.

I feel like this is not the first time I'm having a conversation with
you where you are not answering my direct questions, not just one
sliver. IDK why you're doing this, but being able to participate 
in  an email exchange is a bare minimum for participating upstream.
Please consider this a warning.

If I interpret your reply correctly you are indeed coalescing writeback.
You need to add a new param to the uAPI. Please add both size and
timeout. Expose the timeout as read only if your device doesn't support
controlling it per queue.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-16  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 20:46 [PATCH V2,net-next, 0/2] net: mana: Add support for coalesced RX packets Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-06 20:46 ` [PATCH V2,net-next, 1/2] net: mana: Add support for coalesced RX packets on CQE Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-06 21:50   ` Long Li
2026-01-10  1:56   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-12 21:01     ` [EXTERNAL] " Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-13  1:21       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-13 15:09         ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-13 15:13           ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-14  1:09             ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-14 18:27               ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-15  2:54                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-15 19:57                   ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-16  2:14                     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-01-16 16:44                       ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-17 16:58                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-17 18:01                           ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-17 22:48                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-18 18:31                               ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-02-22 21:32                               ` Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-06 20:46 ` [PATCH V2,net-next, 2/2] net: mana: Add ethtool counters for RX CQEs in coalesced type Haiyang Zhang
2026-01-06 22:10   ` Long Li
2026-01-10  1:56   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-12 21:03     ` [EXTERNAL] " Haiyang Zhang

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