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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: kuniyu@google.com, ncardwell@google.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
	horms@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] tcp: try to defer / return acked skbs to originating CPU
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 15:03:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260117150346.72265ac3@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89iKmuoXJtw4WZ0MRZE3WE-a-VtfTiWamSzXX0dx8pUcRqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 19:16:57 +0100 Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 5:43 PM Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> wrote:
> > Running a memcache-like workload under production(ish) load
> > on a 300 thread AMD machine we see ~3% of CPU time spent
> > in kmem_cache_free() via tcp_ack(), freeing skbs from rtx queue.
> > This workloads pins workers away from softirq CPU so
> > the Tx skbs are pretty much always allocated on a different
> > CPU than where the ACKs arrive. Try to use the defer skb free
> > queue to return the skbs back to where they came from.
> > This results in a ~4% performance improvement for the workload.
> 
> This probably makes sense when RFS is not used.
> Here, RFS gives us ~40% performance improvement for typical RPC workloads,
> so I never took a look at this side :)

This workload doesn't like RFS. Maybe because it has 1M sockets..
I'll need to look closer, the patchwork queue first tho.. :)

> Have you tested what happens for bulk sends ?
> sendmsg() allocates skbs and push them to transmit queue,
> but ACK can decide to split TSO packets, and the new allocation is done
> on the softirq CPU (assuming RFS is not used)
> 
> Perhaps tso_fragment()/tcp_fragment() could copy the source
> skb->alloc_cpu to (new)buff->alloc_cpu.

I'll do some synthetic testing and get back.

> Also, if workers are away from softirq, they will only process the
> defer queue in large patches, after receiving an trigger_rx_softirq()
> IPI.
> Any idea of skb_defer_free_flush() latency when dealing with batches
> of ~64 big TSO packets ?

Not sure if there's much we can do about that.. Perhaps we should have 
a shrinker that flushes the defer queues? I chatted with Shakeel briefly
and it sounded fairly straightforward.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-17 23:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-17 16:42 [PATCH net-next] tcp: try to defer / return acked skbs to originating CPU Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-17 17:10 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-17 18:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2026-01-17 23:03   ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-01-18 12:15     ` Eric Dumazet
2026-01-19 17:04       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-29 23:04         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-29 23:10           ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-16 16:06           ` Eric Dumazet
2026-02-16 17:49             ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-16 17:58               ` Eric Dumazet
2026-02-16 18:11                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-16 18:16                   ` Eric Dumazet
2026-02-17 21:50                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-17 21:56                       ` Eric Dumazet

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