From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AAED31A56D for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2026 22:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1770159451; cv=none; b=kG9SZBdYXb7dFnkd4qRk6Mfly2sMniXiRmMoej2Z+5JVfCOQZYHJOia+xZpAxAf+uQ2GMt4WC/BVraR5dloLzj+MJlL8h0jXBHqCdEDDFOt+jBAERwa3eU6P4Nw0cYXY2rFlU2P3fkzthqqx9rf0cWES0Qemi5FzbwB0wdaSdyw= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1770159451; c=relaxed/simple; bh=ZPGoWml9B3CG2RjjvCfS1WHH5jV05Cb3Z1s+Ti229NI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=meTVMIJXkx9e7X39cxKzRzNT+EyLyJSc6JuprtnUl4AyL90B84wrGM8E2302BxITO4nLrRKmL483YXS/G7riZuBiMpGCnXnQJCBrA13PQmyaeaRbyTiBkSSAjD8c2H32S3FiAwRBLzz44tLal51Z15vyeW+4GYa7saq3c8XjY1w= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=TVqMCQtE; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="TVqMCQtE" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8926CC116D0; Tue, 3 Feb 2026 22:57:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1770159450; bh=ZPGoWml9B3CG2RjjvCfS1WHH5jV05Cb3Z1s+Ti229NI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=TVqMCQtEHpNRZz3Vftt1TqWdpwfDGJle98LWBbUkP2/dF6FpHMlE9hY9dk30NKcqs 6jdiW2H1oEnWNXtCZi5Mmd7TfoUqkiUktRvR6MK7JuKIkJhLYAiVo+csm0YEGvFE90 /i7xDbqlYRLAp/ydXirmN7xPnhCAc3Ecu3uR+2LDpXjvakFQudgQf9W/XbQbQDSx79 5ElpkmEfOQpz/Zv0IHjPOdCT2plMpRqsFCisdDwDyZDbyfcWmNHJP9DMpjpuAEWXji u/UUU8rdYL3YTEOYzQ6S1so2lbSSOK/68LhiPRa2QNKL5NqDgig2wtRPkGBSKuwY6u ozzmfUeGta62w== Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 14:57:29 -0800 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Ethan Nelson-Moore Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Don Fry , Andrew Lunn , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2] net: ethernet: pcnet32: remove VLB support Message-ID: <20260203145729.5c491d71@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20260131012119.25863-1-enelsonmoore@gmail.com> <20260202182054.0a755aea@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 21:32:13 -0800 Ethan Nelson-Moore wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 6:20=E2=80=AFPM Jakub Kicinski w= rote: > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 17:21:19 -0800 Ethan Nelson-Moore wrote: > > Unless the maintainers acks this I think we should just wait until > > we can delete this driver completely. Unless this unblocks removal > > of some VLB-related APIs (which I wasn't able to spot..) =20 >=20 > I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, given what people > have said about its uses. >=20 > FYI, as of 6.19-rc8, the driver works with KVM's emulated device > (Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 79C97x [PCnet32 LANCE] [1022:2000] > (rev 10)), well enough that web browsing works fine and it can > download at several MB per second (multiple large files at once). It > has random short stalls (of a half second or less), but that could be > due to QEMU emulation issues. IMHO we should probably start deleting the "QEMU emulation uses this" toys, too. virtio existed for long enough.=20 But let's wait for 7.x with that, we deleted a bunch of drivers in=20 the past few weeks. Let's see how many of those we need to revert and whether any lessons need to be applied to next removals :)