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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Vadim Fedorenko <vadim.fedorenko@linux.dev>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Loktionov, Aleksandr" <aleksandr.loktionov@intel.com>,
	Kurt Kanzenbach <kurt@linutronix.de>,
	"Nguyen, Anthony L" <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	"Kitszel, Przemyslaw" <przemyslaw.kitszel@intel.com>,
	Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
	"Gomes, Vinicius" <vinicius.gomes@intel.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org"
	<intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org>,
	"Keller, Jacob E" <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH iwl-next v3] igb: Retrieve Tx timestamp directly from interrupt for i210
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2026 13:12:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260210121207.9kLHroS0@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <willemdebruijn.kernel.2e6213a98660b@gmail.com>

On 2026-02-09 07:46:01 [-0500], Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > Yeah, but what is the legacy user here? If you enable HW-timestamps but
> > > never set OPT_TSONLY and the sysctl is also 0 then you reply on the
> > > CAP_NET_RAW later on. Right?
> > 
> > Legacy users here means users of HW TX timestamps expecting full skb to 
> > be returned back with the TX timestamp. Legacy here means that skb will 
> > be returned with headers modified by stack, which is kind of exposure of
> > data, which requires CAP_NET_RAW...

Ah okay. I assumed the err-queue was the standard way of receiving
timestamps.

> > > I just try to justify the CAP_NET_RAW check and if it is required to
> > > move it earlier (where HW timestamps are enabled). And if the sysctl
> > > check is enough then maybe it is not needed.
> > 
> > Capabilities should not change during lifetime of the process, should be
> > fine to move. On the other, sysctl can be changed system-wide which may 
> > affect users.
> 
> Ignore the hardware configuration. That is entirely optional. Some
> devices will timestamp every packet.
> 
> The capability check here is per-socket, independent from the system
> hardware configuration.
> 
> I don't see how it could be moved.
> 
> Before OPT_TSONLY was introduced packets were always queued with their
> payload. The sysctl check was added to optionally disallow this. The
> check could arguably be moved earlier in the socket lifecycle and the
> decision cached in the socket. But then flipping the sysctl would not
> affect existing sockets, so that is a change in ABI behavior.

You could cache only the part under sk_callback_lock.
Any other suggestions?
The access from IRQ is quick and avoids any detours.
The alternative would be to move the whole routine into an aux_worker.
For every driver doing it from the IRQ handler.

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-10 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-05  7:54 [PATCH iwl-next v3] igb: Retrieve Tx timestamp directly from interrupt for i210 Kurt Kanzenbach
2026-02-05  9:47 ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-02-05 10:03   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-05 10:37     ` Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-02-05 10:52       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-05 11:56       ` Vadim Fedorenko
2026-02-05 14:51         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-05 16:27           ` Vadim Fedorenko
2026-02-05 16:43             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-05 16:48               ` Vadim Fedorenko
2026-02-05 21:41                 ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-06  7:44                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-06 10:12                   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2026-02-08 16:25                     ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-09  9:06                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-09 10:43                         ` Vadim Fedorenko
2026-02-09 11:48                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-09 12:24                             ` Vadim Fedorenko
2026-02-09 12:46                               ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-10 12:12                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2026-02-10 16:14                                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-11 12:08                                     ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2026-02-11 16:29                                       ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-12 18:33                                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-14 23:26                                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-11 18:54                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-12 16:28                                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-11 19:29                                       ` Jacob Keller
2026-02-11 21:44                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-12 16:47                                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-05 11:58   ` Kurt Kanzenbach
2026-02-05 12:20     ` Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-02-06  0:05       ` Jacob Keller
2026-02-05 12:12 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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