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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Felix Maurer <fmaurer@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 0/2] hsr: Add additional info to send/ receive skbs
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 12:24:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260224112447.ppskFxhW@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZYSvY8nUKhpLZhv@thinkpad>

On 2026-02-18 20:28:36 [+0100], Felix Maurer wrote:
> > Yes. Point 3b needs to be extended by
> >   " + or does not contain a HSR/PRP header and requires one by the
> >   system."
> 
> Ah, I missed that! Thanks for pointing it out, that seems to be the
> tricky part to me. Just be sure, you refer to the Pdelay_{Req,Resp}
> messages? Or are there any other messages?

These and the SYNC+FOLLOW_UP if the node is master.

> > > If I understand your patch 2 correctly, you will be maintaining two
> > > sockets in userspace (one bound to each of the ports A and B through the
> > > HSR interface using PACKET_HSR_BIND_PORT). Binding through the HSR
> > > interface to port A/B has the very special meaning of making a socket
> > > only receive a very small subset of the packets, that is PTP traffic at
> > > the moment. This seems like a somewhat hidden property of the bound
> > > sockets and should at least be very explicit.
> >
> > Technically four sockets (two for A and two for B) but in general yes.
> > What you mean by hidden property/ very explicit? Document
> > PACKET_HSR_BIND_PORT in packet(7) or something else?
> 
> Yes, at least that. Maybe also make it more clear in the name that this
> kind of binding means that you will not receive all packets from this
> port but just some (atm, PTP).

Right. That happens implicit because they are not tagged. Extending the
present documentation would be something I consider once we do align on
something.

> > However if we
> > ignore this detail and can receive on interface A and send on interface
> > B over XDP and get timestamps right then we have the same as the packet
> > interface on the two eth devices. What is missing is sending with HSR/
> > PRP header.
> 
> You wrote in another reply, and I agree with it, that sending with the
> system HSR header and sequence number must go through the hsr device.
> Frames that already have a header, such as Sync an FollowUp that are
> forwarded, could just directly go through the slave interfaces.
> 
> I think the cases should be handled independently: to send a frame with
> a full header (i.e., the forward case), we already have the AF_PACKET
> socket on the slave interfaces as an option. For sending a frame just in
> one direction in the HSR ring through the hsr interface, we have to come
> up with something, but IMHO just for that.
> 
> I like the idea of putting the port hint in the ancillary data of the
> message, but I'm not sure where to put in the skb then / how to pass it
> to the hsr interface. Willem's suggestions are worth exploring I think.

Good. I will try to come up with something. Willem had something, I will
look into this.

> Thanks,
>    Felix

Sebastian

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-24 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-04 11:24 [PATCH RFC net-next 0/2] hsr: Add additional info to send/ receive skbs Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-04 11:24 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 1/2] hsr: Allow to send a specific port and with HSR header Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-04 17:30   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-17 15:36     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-04 14:58     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-04 15:56       ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-03-04 16:12         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-04 23:48           ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-03-05  8:07             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-05 14:41               ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-05 15:05                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-04 11:24 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 2/2] af_packet: Add port specific handling for HSR Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-04 17:36   ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-17 15:51     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-16 16:10 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 0/2] hsr: Add additional info to send/ receive skbs Felix Maurer
2026-02-16 16:19   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-16 16:25   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-02-17 16:14     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-17 16:10   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-18 19:28     ` Felix Maurer
2026-02-18 21:53       ` Willem de Bruijn
2026-02-24 11:48         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-24 11:24       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]

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