From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFAF9261B91; Mon, 9 Mar 2026 21:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1773091442; cv=none; b=ugQgM/Miyn3b3jm3CPLbaEckp/VVMHeZrLoddDV7lb3GqUFhIGCsPGg2EkTT3WFQg30QJc49W3cmD1ldeQX9vhXVzDcdOrXmbgJgm4yYhBYCoSXqa+FWr9xG/ZCjitKftmjZGzcJ/XxRNNfWg5PJeIftA+CIwLLtYVVvwosOKH0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1773091442; c=relaxed/simple; bh=1FJDNfQwipysOvEBhw7Ce0CMwITyjcXoF0pM/klMZ0w=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oSyfoIB65Ys7TZKToRaJ/ue6sb/AaSgjN4LxCR1G8IZPB6Wy97YUGRBRaKO/zrH3FBTmF0qNXKd+2pxXUbRs7MjFg9Mfu96QAsrkuMOaB2uaSgMMyrWsKuWQ7W1D6qd3rD5PGdTlTg2rCuUUeRDKy5ptlWmIxmDtnjgkRGfFIsk= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=sVFknAN9; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="sVFknAN9" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79B9DC4CEF7; Mon, 9 Mar 2026 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1773091442; bh=1FJDNfQwipysOvEBhw7Ce0CMwITyjcXoF0pM/klMZ0w=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=sVFknAN9jv2McJvnI84vxKelA/W2ZXMvH74AR3dOW6giv3pz3kagLOJiSHyiNQawg Yc27mbumCgMyXNqw+k0IiFm3tcd1y+qqODsQ+5f+sFrkuxjuPOPb9kkuu8mJ1eqC/5 Xn122dcpkn+klmTdfF0dymgBoMtlYhDMl2ak1piMwXL4V2oGI9vjgwSVJhp1AblUlH AyCvPVjJ9z2s/ETxCqCbKo+itoeDgIxjGfMWU7Dq7rDQ/6ZNUEyfnjwM4WWQ6ffWJ/ VzM9MjAyicDjUhDBjp7g1uDkTzIhYhN19uFpQRaa9B2ajsqGTSQeFqt4r0/YIeeRyo b4S/Phu6+IcLQ== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 14:24:00 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Alice Ryhl Cc: Miguel Ojeda , Boqun Feng , Gary Guo , "=?UTF-8?B?QmrDtnJu?= Roy Baron" , Benno Lossin , Andreas Hindborg , Trevor Gross , Danilo Krummrich , Donald Hunter , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni , Simon Horman , Greg Kroah-Hartman , "Arve =?UTF-8?B?SGrDuG5uZXbDpWc=?=" , Todd Kjos , Christian Brauner , Carlos Llamas , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Rust netlink support + use in Rust Binder Message-ID: <20260309142400.596f5010@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20260306-binder-netlink-v1-0-daceb5bc83f2@google.com> <20260307104131.4c1d0de5@kernel.org> <20260307135941.51353a4f@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 22:50:31 +0000 Alice Ryhl wrote: > > > To be honest, I'm not entirely happy with what Binder is using netlink > > > for either, but it is what it is. > > > > If we're both not happy let's take this opportunity to find a better > > solution? > > My understanding is that userspace is already using or looking into > using the netlink uapi that Binder exposes here. I don't know to what > extent; it's not used *that* much yet, but it may still be tricky to > change the uapi at this point. Let's explore it? What user space components would need to be updated? What's a better design?