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From: Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 01/10] x86/bhi: x86/vmscape: Move LFENCE out of clear_bhb_loop()
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 14:30:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260324213021.c73ibiekw36xhd6x@desk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260324202251.GPacLym_7HV9IBbLaz@fat_crate.local>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 09:22:51PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 11:16:36AM -0700, Pawan Gupta wrote:
> > Currently, BHB clearing sequence is followed by an LFENCE to prevent
> > transient execution of subsequent indirect branches prematurely. However,
> > LFENCE barrier could be unnecessary in certain cases. For example, when
> > kernel is using BHI_DIS_S mitigation, and BHB clearing is only needed for
> > userspace. In such cases, LFENCE is redundant because ring transitions
> > would provide the necessary serialization.
> > 
> > Below is a quick recap of BHI mitigation options:
> > 
> >   On Alder Lake and newer
> > 
> >   - BHI_DIS_S: Hardware control to mitigate BHI in ring0. This has low
> > 	       performance overhead.
> >   - Long loop: Alternatively, longer version of BHB clearing sequence
> > 	       can be used to mitigate BHI. It can also be used to mitigate
> > 	       BHI variant of VMSCAPE. This is not yet implemented in
> > 	       Linux.
> > 
> >   On older CPUs
> > 
> >   - Short loop: Clears BHB at kernel entry and VMexit. The "Long loop" is
> > 		effective on older CPUs as well, but should be avoided
> > 		because of unnecessary overhead.
> > 
> > On Alder Lake and newer CPUs, eIBRS isolates the indirect targets between
> > guest and host. But when affected by the BHI variant of VMSCAPE, a guest's
> > branch history may still influence indirect branches in userspace. This
> > also means the big hammer IBPB could be replaced with a cheaper option that
> > clears the BHB at exit-to-userspace after a VMexit.
> > 
> > In preparation for adding the support for BHB sequence (without LFENCE) on
> > newer CPUs, move the LFENCE to the caller side after clear_bhb_loop() is
> > executed. Allow callers to decide whether they need the LFENCE or
> > not. This adds a few extra bytes to the call sites, but it obviates
> > the need for multiple variants of clear_bhb_loop().
> 
> Claude, please add proper articles where they're missing in the above text:
> 
> "Currently, the BHB clearing sequence is followed by an LFENCE to prevent
> transient execution of subsequent indirect branches prematurely. However, the
> LFENCE barrier could be unnecessary in certain cases. For example, when the
> kernel is using the BHI_DIS_S mitigation, and BHB clearing is only needed for
> userspace. In such cases, the LFENCE is redundant because ring transitions
> would provide the necessary serialization.
> 
> Below is a quick recap of BHI mitigation options:
> 
> On Alder Lake and newer
> 
>     BHI_DIS_S: Hardware control to mitigate BHI in ring0. This has low
>     performance overhead.
> 
>     Long loop: Alternatively, a longer version of the BHB clearing sequence
>     can be used to mitigate BHI. It can also be used to mitigate the BHI
>     variant of VMSCAPE. This is not yet implemented in Linux.
> 
> On older CPUs
> 
>     Short loop: Clears BHB at kernel entry and VMexit. The "Long loop" is
>     effective on older CPUs as well, but should be avoided because of
>     unnecessary overhead.
> 
> On Alder Lake and newer CPUs, eIBRS isolates the indirect targets between
> guest and host. But when affected by the BHI variant of VMSCAPE, a guest's
> branch history may still influence indirect branches in userspace. This also
> means the big hammer IBPB could be replaced with a cheaper option that clears
> the BHB at exit-to-userspace after a VMexit.
> 
> In preparation for adding the support for the BHB sequence (without LFENCE) on
> newer CPUs, move the LFENCE to the caller side after clear_bhb_loop() is
> executed. Allow callers to decide whether they need the LFENCE or not. This
> adds a few extra bytes to the call sites, but it obviates the need for
> multiple variants of clear_bhb_loop()."
> 
> Reads proper to me. Use it for your next revision pls.

Sure, will use this.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-24 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-24 18:16 [PATCH v8 00/10] VMSCAPE optimization for BHI variant Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:16 ` [PATCH v8 01/10] x86/bhi: x86/vmscape: Move LFENCE out of clear_bhb_loop() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 20:22   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-24 21:30     ` Pawan Gupta [this message]
2026-03-24 18:16 ` [PATCH v8 02/10] x86/bhi: Make clear_bhb_loop() effective on newer CPUs Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 20:59   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-24 22:13     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-25 20:37       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 22:40         ` David Laight
2026-03-26  8:39         ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-26  9:15           ` David Laight
2026-03-26 10:01           ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-26 10:45             ` David Laight
2026-03-25 17:50   ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-25 18:44     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-25 19:41     ` David Laight
2026-03-25 22:29       ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 03/10] x86/bhi: Rename clear_bhb_loop() to clear_bhb_loop_nofence() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 04/10] x86/vmscape: Rename x86_ibpb_exit_to_user to x86_predictor_flush_exit_to_user Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 05/10] x86/vmscape: Move mitigation selection to a switch() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 06/10] x86/vmscape: Use write_ibpb() instead of indirect_branch_prediction_barrier() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:18 ` [PATCH v8 07/10] x86/vmscape: Use static_call() for predictor flush Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 19:09   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-03-24 19:51     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:18 ` [PATCH v8 08/10] x86/vmscape: Deploy BHB clearing mitigation Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 19:09   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-03-24 19:46     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:18 ` [PATCH v8 09/10] x86/vmscape: Resolve conflict between attack-vectors and vmscape=force Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:19 ` [PATCH v8 10/10] x86/vmscape: Add cmdline vmscape=on to override attack vector controls Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 19:09   ` bot+bpf-ci

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