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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 02/10] x86/bhi: Make clear_bhb_loop() effective on newer CPUs
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2026 10:08:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260328100837.7e6dc7fe@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260328004256.mm2ttj5iwvu5kdpa@desk>

On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 17:42:56 -0700
Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 01:29:31PM -0700, Pawan Gupta wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 10:45:57AM +0000, David Laight wrote:  
> > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 11:01:20 +0100
> > > Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 01:39:34AM -0700, Pawan Gupta wrote:  
> > > > > I believe the equivalent for cpu_feature_enabled() in asm is the
> > > > > ALTERNATIVE. Please let me know if I am missing something.    
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, you are.
> > > > 
> > > > The point is that you don't want to stick those alternative calls inside some
> > > > magic bhb_loop function but hand them in from the outside, as function
> > > > arguments.
> > > > 
> > > > Basically what I did.
> > > > 
> > > > Then you were worried about this being C code and it had to be noinstr... So
> > > > that outer function can be rewritten in asm, I think, and still keep it well
> > > > separate.
> > > > 
> > > > I'll try to rewrite it once I get a free minute, and see how it looks.
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > I think someone tried getting C code to write the values to global data
> > > and getting the asm to read them.
> > > That got discounted because it spilt things between two largely unrelated files.  
> > 
> > 
> > The implementation with global variables wasn't that bad, let me revive it.
> > 
> > This part which ties sequence to BHI mitigation, which is not ideal,
> > (because VMSCAPE also uses it) it does seems a cleaner option.
> > 
> > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/bugs.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/bugs.c
> > @@ -2095,6 +2095,11 @@ static void __init bhi_select_mitigation(void)
> > 
> >  static void __init bhi_update_mitigation(void)
> >  {
> > +   if (!cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_BHI_CTRL)) {
> > +       bhi_seq_outer_loop = 5;
> > +       bhi_seq_inner_loop = 5;
> > +   }
> > +
> > 
> > I believe this can be moved to somewhere common to all mitigations.
> >   
> > > I think the BPF code would need significant refactoring to call a C function.  
> > 
> > Ya, true. Will use globals and keep clear_bhb_loop() in asm.  
> 
> While testing this approach, I noticed that syscalls were suffering an 8%
> regression on ICX for Native BHI mitigation:
> 
>   $ perf bench syscall basic -l 100000000
> 
> Bisection pointed to the change for using 8-bit registers (al/ah replacing
> eax/ecx) as the main contributor to the regression. (Global variables added
> a bit, but within noise).
> 
> Further digging revealed a strange behavior, using %ah for the inner loop
> was causing the regression, interchanging %al and %ah in the loops
> (for movb and sub) eliminated the regression.
> 
> <clear_bhb_loop_nofence>:
> 
> 	movb	bhb_seq_outer_loop(%rip), %al
> 
> 	call	1f
> 	jmp	5f
> 1:	call	2f
> .Lret1:	RET
> 2:	movb	bhb_seq_inner_loop(%rip), %ah
> 3:	jmp	4f
> 	nop
> 4:	sub	$1, %ah <---- No regression with %al here
> 	jnz	3b
> 	sub	$1, %al
> 	jnz	1b
> 
> My guess is, "sub $1, %al" is faster than "sub $1, %ah". Using %al in the
> inner loop, which is executed more number of times is likely making the
> difference. A perf profile is needed to confirm this.

I bet it is also CPU dependant - it is quite likely that there isn't
any special hardware to support partial writes of %ah so it ends up taking
a slow path (possibly even a microcoded one to get an 8% regression).

As well as swapping %al <-> %ah try changing the outer loop decrement to
	sub $0x100, %ax
since %al is zero that will set the z flag the same.

I've just hacked a test into some test code I've got.
I'm not seeing an unexpected costs on either zen-5 or haswell.
So it may be more subtle.

	David


> 
> Never imagined a register selection can make an 8% difference in
> performance! Anyways, will update the patch with this finding.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-28 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-24 18:16 [PATCH v8 00/10] VMSCAPE optimization for BHI variant Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:16 ` [PATCH v8 01/10] x86/bhi: x86/vmscape: Move LFENCE out of clear_bhb_loop() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 20:22   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-24 21:30     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:16 ` [PATCH v8 02/10] x86/bhi: Make clear_bhb_loop() effective on newer CPUs Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 20:59   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-24 22:13     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-25 20:37       ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 22:40         ` David Laight
2026-03-26  8:39         ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-26  9:15           ` David Laight
2026-03-26 10:01           ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-26 10:45             ` David Laight
2026-03-26 20:29               ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-28  0:42                 ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-28 10:08                   ` David Laight [this message]
2026-03-25 17:50   ` Jim Mattson
2026-03-25 18:44     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-25 19:41     ` David Laight
2026-03-25 22:29       ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 03/10] x86/bhi: Rename clear_bhb_loop() to clear_bhb_loop_nofence() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 04/10] x86/vmscape: Rename x86_ibpb_exit_to_user to x86_predictor_flush_exit_to_user Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 05/10] x86/vmscape: Move mitigation selection to a switch() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:17 ` [PATCH v8 06/10] x86/vmscape: Use write_ibpb() instead of indirect_branch_prediction_barrier() Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:18 ` [PATCH v8 07/10] x86/vmscape: Use static_call() for predictor flush Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 19:09   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-03-24 19:51     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:18 ` [PATCH v8 08/10] x86/vmscape: Deploy BHB clearing mitigation Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 19:09   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-03-24 19:46     ` Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:18 ` [PATCH v8 09/10] x86/vmscape: Resolve conflict between attack-vectors and vmscape=force Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 18:19 ` [PATCH v8 10/10] x86/vmscape: Add cmdline vmscape=on to override attack vector controls Pawan Gupta
2026-03-24 19:09   ` bot+bpf-ci

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