From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12D6538C429 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1776370577; cv=none; b=s70JhSRRGA53NtC99071QM1CbM7tRQscdFWGCBK2T5zAyZ2s0FDxhdEC9kN0RK9XMH+6Q8AHPKMHRB6K1F4whzTmiqNbs5RpQ6iY8okokUk+ZqHt77d8lRjjXI5Rct8fm4UNQOvr5V7EEkjvjpKjbCb6482mEvbSjT2sC3t7vE4= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1776370577; c=relaxed/simple; bh=R/+DzOdGIK0mO9G5ivghTZXgfvc47/DKlFbEl1raOVI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XS9OEonOLD9Is3L5a+XztDLBmiLiFpQ0zMhXd8uydyJ59AvL17fWLFOAtwxDIjtYWsnj1sAFOpOH3MsZ2Fky/68WmZpkU5/R1dP+yPZX7YIqXwWm4W7PlsgeHBflPgSAa6aHCgChHOoMgJVPubxzoDQTtcn8YnOX5hgKpbfskTA= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=pK43roZi; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="pK43roZi" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2FA1C2BCAF; Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:16:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1776370576; bh=R/+DzOdGIK0mO9G5ivghTZXgfvc47/DKlFbEl1raOVI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pK43roZiQcqiQnjSJT7dagBUZfApCSNmUvHNa9llT8HcqXlgYEzYyd27qrRJrPD7X GXXLXxW+1p7EiiEFBTUCM1p/1lcQrFPDjrJJ35VNM7jh6Y/fk1dgcmGPYMMMAu/FLA szCyku3OH1MpQZrV7jsY1vacIUOavd1rD71L8pqSOCnztWZI5BSfn+4xdkXBsEonrk 1p038auIwS7gTKSHpjKTfERlvzpuB5+vyATcjVIJXo81z8ygfL5+eRsi7L38eYixwz Ue03sIH+igCURCBehG83I9Qrp3CHojxZexJ2XgXeVZH838Vm7r4BVgtM00nEVXJBG9 4CDX3fZdXcGtQ== Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 13:16:10 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: "Russell King (Oracle)" Cc: Alexander Stein , Andrew Lunn , Heiner Kallweit , Alexandre Torgue , Andrew Lunn , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com, Maxime Coquelin , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Abeni Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 5/6] net: stmmac: move PHY handling out of __stmmac_open()/release() Message-ID: <20260416131610.1bf3bce2@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5987484.DvuYhMxLoT@steina-w> <2410317.ElGaqSPkdT@steina-w> <20260416090826.1c5ca018@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:46:34 +0100 Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 09:08:26AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 14:47:57 +0100 Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > > > The next problem will be netdev's policy over reviews vs patches > > > balance which I'm already in deficit, and I have *NO* *TIME* > > > what so ever to review patches - let alone propose patches to > > > fix people's problems. > > > > > > So I'm going to say this plainly: if netdev wants to enforce that > > > rule, then I won't be fixing people's problems. > > > > Do you have a better proposal? > > I'm under the same pressure of million stupid projects from my employer > > as you are. Do y'all think that upstream maintainers have time given by > > their employers to do the reviews? SMH. > > Are you really under the same pressure? I have one of my parents in > hospital right now, and was in A&E yesterday afternoon through into > the evening. I've been down at the hospital since 2pm today, only > just come back to feed the other parent and head back down for what > could be a long night. Then there's supposed to be an appointment > that will take up to 3 hours tomorrow morning... > > Yea, I'm sure you have the same pressures and worry from your > employer - except my pressures are medical, looking after my parents. > > Thank you for your lack of understanding. Not my point. Sorry to hear about the issues you're facing. I don't think making vague complaints about the development process is going to make anything better.