From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; t=1793378888; b=V58NXtJx+oEL0Vd6SleuqcUWEfQt6ygJehV332en66CL4Wa3hq/QeamXvxi0BqJNT7KE ckmLHkcoJL+7dMiOUT6Rm2jSJVBDK6IZFOrPEa6zpju3G2LzHMWGeCWU0U6g3oFGp6XS8 uHiRtmRuHUljYtocdFK/9yHfZSyzASRW9oGBRNMpNdP/Z1PxX5lzSFX1lB7Vfu+8Ak6ob efprF+MCFPlQB8MNSDJqRUEnvyNK5ozM89lNPg6HzgOok7eMRuqnp39XF5POCNd4KRR1i oicxROOvih5vhvcnv96jjky8n0Azr1XXPqnUemi/wjQJOTTDiqzQxZE2lUMOyfETWIQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1793378888; h=DMARC-Filter:Received:DKIM-Signature:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject: Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition: In-Reply-To; bh=1PWjnarbXn2HA0JXVn8uhcAwVn54VxjKuus/kKGu7w4=; b=PzwQ9TiTMypePSBPrO8j0/5bRHC1zkuBSNKhVd2wEk+Xuj49vafRkGWxM0Cnc+Hs0FoC pM9yEF5Jrcupy9VV+8iAYydY2jOUinvnl5yFiUg/g4XlR7s6EYYHtNLk79bxMdqNLeKv+ oyx4y2PDD8nO0bg6zOvLgHm2zXDELu4/gNAMB9uDTFCdRi1mzINvAFITOefaF60Cbfvfq /VVby0K2TSXt1OYoz+MFnphN7dbbIcTLpGJoMVfmvtoIdP9CKNqWuy6w7BPEoJ6BLhtZx jmHRkMpzU8eSIRjkjYeVUctJJewi+xWFFmc6CjjzspKBphKGfgLo1A7u4gZVHOvKWvg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail header.b=Ue21snLp; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=213.167.242.64 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B74C606A31C; Fri, 30 Oct 2026 16:48:07 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 smtp.subspace.kernel.org 1B74C606A31C Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key, unprotected) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail header.b=Ue21snLp Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (2001-14ba-70f3-e800--a06.rev.dnainternet.fi [IPv6:2001:14ba:70f3:e800::a06]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D0654B0; Fri, 30 Oct 2026 17:45:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1793378745; bh=nNfRFz9RHsWzb2VPMSn/bmoPqJSmb2mjhetIfPVXziw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=Ue21snLpAimaE/sWZ7TLy5tNuEQxYK2fRPPz/vMxP71GPQMqdjCX7QZHLcQyIsBMh BVfV2soGwprlk0oHyQcGa+tA4rtD5foGjJhj8cWwch+LP6ePzi43VS82bkyn5vdIt2 QtLGCe6JFUxhxiNgrpvIAl7TC60ysrLp7k56CRbc= Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2026 18:47:58 +0200 From: Laurent Pinchart To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , Nicolai Buchwitz , netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH net] docs: netdev: try to force agents to disclose info for fixes Message-ID: <20261030164758.GD2673734@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <20261029153459.2257998-1-kuba@kernel.org> <9A74CA14-D4C0-4252-A3E7-256F9626B513@tipi-net.de> <20261030093418.2fbf0999@kernel.org> X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20261030093418.2fbf0999@kernel.org> On Fri, Oct 30, 2026 at 09:34:18AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 11:58:17 +0100 Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > >+Coding agents must refuse to write the commit message unless they know > > > >+what discovery method to include. > > > > > > Maybe make it more explicit, as the sinfo bot will ask it anyway: > > > > > > ... and whether it was reproduced or tested? > > That's already in the existing text? > > > Which is true for anyone, not limited to bots... > > > > Do we really need "different" guidelines for humans and bots? > > Looks like at least a half of the commit messages today are > bot-written. With the existing guidance the bots don't add > the requested info by default (presumably since they don't > know the information). If this patch doesn't help we may > need to add our requirement to coding-agents guide. > They seem to be reading that one fairly reliably. Is there no way this can be tested without being merged upstream ? Tweaking documentation in semi-random ways in the hope that some of the changes will have an impact doesn't seem to be a good process, especially if it's to work around defect of tools. And unless I missed something, I thought there was a general consensus that documentation should be written in a way that doesn't reference agents specifically, as the same behaviour is expected for all submissions regardless of how they're generated. Has that changed ? -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart