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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@google.com>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"Xi Ruoyao" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	"Adhemerval Zanella Netto" <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	"Rich Felker" <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	klibc@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [klibc] [PATCH net-next] net: uapi: Provide an UAPI definition of 'struct sockaddr'
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 23:31:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <212d2e51-abc1-47bb-8666-755917cad889@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0fc5b4ef-c468-416f-a065-f64989d75378@zytor.com>

On Tue, Jan 20, 2026, at 19:50, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 2026-01-05 05:50, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> 
>> This looks like the right approach to me. I have previously
>> tried to introduce a 'struct __kernel_sockaddr' structure and
>> use that in uapi headers in place of the libc sockaddr, but
>> that seemed worse in the end, and introduce the same problems
>> as using the existing __kernel_sockaddr_storage.
>> 
>
> You say "the same problems". It's not clear to me what that means.

I must have accidentally cut that from my reply, sorry.
Looking at it again now, I think I ran into problems with the
flexible array that was removed from the in-kernel sockaddr
structure in commit 2b5e9f9b7e41 ("net: Convert struct sockaddr
to fixed-size "sa_data[14]""), so there is a good chance it works
now with the (once more) fixed-size version.

The other problem is that the structures that embed 'sockaddr'
are used a lot inside of the kernel, in particular in 'ifreq',
so changing the uapi sockaddr to __kernel_sockaddr requires
additional changes wherever the struct members are passed
by reference.

> Based on my own libc experience, hacking both a minimal (klibc) and a
> maximal (glibc) libc, there are a *lot* of advantages to having
> __kernel_* definitions available, *regardless* of if they are exported
> into the libc namespace at all.

Absolutely, I am totally in agreement about this in general, which
is why I tried this approach first.

      Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-20 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-05  8:25 [PATCH net-next] net: uapi: Provide an UAPI definition of 'struct sockaddr' Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-05 13:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-01-20 18:50   ` [klibc] " H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-20 22:31     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2026-01-20 23:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-30 11:02         ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-05 17:57 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-06 10:32   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-06 23:13     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-09 12:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-01-12 11:42         ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-12 11:55           ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-12 13:25             ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-12 13:33               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-12 13:37                 ` Florian Weimer

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