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From: Household Cang <canghousehold@aol.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	Lucas Pereira <lucasvp@gmail.com>,
	 Romain Gantois <romain.gantois@bootlin.com>,
	 "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	 Jose Abreu <joabreu@synopsys.com>,
	 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	 Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Maxime Coquelin <mcoquelin.stm32@gmail.com>,
	 Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
	 Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>,
	 Sylvain Girard <sylvain.girard@se.com>,
	 Pascal EBERHARD <pascal.eberhard@se.com>,
	 Richard Tresidder <rtresidd@electromag.com.au>,
	 "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Proxy ARP NetNS Awareness
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 06:56:16 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21658780.3286902.1760684176107@mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ2PR22MB45547404DA1CA10A201B2BE0A294A@SJ2PR22MB4554.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Last light the Linux Librechat was focused on digging the kernel code surrounding /net/ipv4/arp.c and /net/core/net_namespace.c to answer whether the proxy_arp feature enabled by sysctl is namespace aware.

After many hours of tracing from namespace-generating unshare --net command all the way to the kernel net_namespace.c gave us some clues that the main ns and new ns converged at arp_net_init() in arp.c. And I am currently stuck on this line 1497

proc_create_net("arp", 0444, net->proc_net, &arp_seq_ops,
            sizeof(struct neigh_seq_state))

It is unknown whether this function creates a "view" to the ARP neighbor table such that each netns has a different view to the neighbor table, OR each netns maintains its own neighbor table. Either way, the implication is whether proxy_arp enabled by sysctl is restricted to the current netns.

If proxy_arp is retricted to the current netns, then the Debian documentation on wireless bridge-less pseudo-bridge https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections may be wrong in insinuating that the proxy_arp feature in the modern kernel can replace parprouted userspace program.

The current documentation with sysctl net-related options are really vague in terms of netns interaction. arp_ignore, arp_announce, arp_filter did not do a good job of disambiguating whether any of these arp features can or cannot work across namespaces, or the reasons for the behavior.

From the arp_filter option description, this line "IP addresses are owned by the complete host on Linux, not by particular interfaces." is a single-netns statement, but highly suggests that arp operations are per namespace.

When a virtual ethernet pair is created between two netns, parprouted userspace program can relay arps across namespaces, but the kernel proxy_arp cannot.

Thank you for any insights and feel free to forward to subject matter experts.
I really want to get to the bottom of this.

Lucas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-17  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-18 16:23 [PATCH net 0/1] Prevent DSA tags from breaking COE Romain Gantois
2023-12-18 16:23 ` [PATCH net 1/1] net: stmmac: " Romain Gantois
2023-12-19 12:20   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-19 13:07     ` Maxime Chevallier
2023-12-19 14:19       ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-19 16:29         ` Maxime Chevallier
2023-12-19 22:46           ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-20  0:43             ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-20 23:00               ` Linus Walleij
2023-12-29 16:11     ` Romain Gantois
2023-12-30 14:17       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-18 16:41 ` [PATCH net 0/1] " Andrew Lunn
2023-12-19  9:50   ` Romain Gantois
2024-01-05  4:37     ` Richard Tresidder
2023-12-19 12:30 ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-21  7:40 ` Household Cang
2023-12-22 12:30   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-22 13:22     ` Lucas Pereira
2023-12-22 13:46       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-12-22 19:08     ` Household Cang
     [not found]     ` <SJ2PR22MB45547404DA1CA10A201B2BE0A294A@SJ2PR22MB4554.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
2025-10-17  6:56       ` Household Cang [this message]
2025-10-20  9:58         ` Proxy ARP NetNS Awareness Nicolas Dichtel

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