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From: Aurelien Aptel <aaptel@nvidia.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	sagi@grimberg.me, hch@lst.de, kbusch@kernel.org, axboe@fb.com,
	chaitanyak@nvidia.com, davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org,
	Boris Pismenny <borisp@nvidia.com>,
	aurelien.aptel@gmail.com, smalin@nvidia.com, malin1024@gmail.com,
	ogerlitz@nvidia.com, yorayz@nvidia.com, galshalom@nvidia.com,
	mgurtovoy@nvidia.com, tariqt@nvidia.com, gus@collabora.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, dsahern@kernel.org, ast@kernel.org,
	jacob.e.keller@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v28 01/20] net: Introduce direct data placement tcp offload
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 17:47:34 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2537c2gzk6x.fsf@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89iLW86_BsB97jZw0joPwne_K79iiqwogCYFA7U9dZa3jhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric,

We have looked into your suggestions, but both have drawbacks.

The first idea was to make the tailroom small/empty to prevent
condensing. The issue is that the header is already placed at the skb
head, and there could be another PDU after the first payload. Placing
the header at the tail of the skb would require copying (which we want
to avoid) and could potentially overwrite anything after it.

The second idea was to use the unreadable bit. We tried setting the bit
in the driver and updating tcp_collapse() to copy the bit along with
other bits. However, making the skb unreadable causes issues at the
other end when the nvme driver reads from it, as the unreadable bit
makes it, well, unreadable. If you look at __skb_datagram_iter(), you'll
see it errs out if skb_frags_readable(skb) is false.

The offload works by calling the iter copy functions while skipping the
memcpy (see patch 3).  We think the unreadable bit is getting close to
what we want if it wasn't for the skb_datagram_iter() check. Maybe the
bit could be unset at a later stage but it's not clear where.
Alternatively, the no_condense bit might be a good compromise? readable
but not condensable.

Thanks

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-16 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-30  8:57 [PATCH v28 00/20] nvme-tcp receive offloads Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 01/20] net: Introduce direct data placement tcp offload Aurelien Aptel
2025-05-14  7:12   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-05-16 14:47     ` Aurelien Aptel [this message]
2025-05-16 22:31       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-17  7:38       ` Eric Dumazet
2025-05-22 15:01         ` Aurelien Aptel
2025-06-04 12:33           ` Aurelien Aptel
2025-06-04 12:55             ` Eric Dumazet
2025-06-05 11:54               ` Aurelien Aptel
2025-06-05 12:44                 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 02/20] netlink: add new family to manage ULP_DDP enablement and stats Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 03/20] iov_iter: skip copy if src == dst for direct data placement Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 04/20] net/tls,core: export get_netdev_for_sock Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 05/20] nvme-tcp: Add DDP offload control path Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 06/20] nvme-tcp: Add DDP data-path Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 07/20] nvme-tcp: RX DDGST offload Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 08/20] nvme-tcp: Deal with netdevice DOWN events Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 09/20] Documentation: add ULP DDP offload documentation Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 10/20] net/mlx5e: Rename from tls to transport static params Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 11/20] net/mlx5e: Refactor ico sq polling to get budget Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 12/20] net/mlx5: Add NVMEoTCP caps, HW bits, 128B CQE and enumerations Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 13/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, offload initialization Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 14/20] net/mlx5e: TCP flow steering for nvme-tcp acceleration Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 15/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, use KLM UMRs for buffer registration Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 16/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, queue init/teardown Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 17/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, ddp setup and resync Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 18/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, async ddp invalidation Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 19/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, data-path for DDP+DDGST offload Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30  8:57 ` [PATCH v28 20/20] net/mlx5e: NVMEoTCP, statistics Aurelien Aptel
2025-04-30 12:52 ` [PATCH v28 00/20] nvme-tcp receive offloads Gustavo Padovan
2025-05-05 20:43   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-05 21:51     ` Keith Busch
2025-05-05 22:51       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-13 12:56         ` Aurelien Aptel
2025-05-13 14:36           ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-06 13:34       ` Sagi Grimberg

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