From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "John A. Sullivan III" Subject: Re: [Announce] LARTC wiki available Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:04:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26c0801e-2702-4520-a265-5d94e57432dd@jasiiieee> References: <4EFC9FC2.1090503@linuxsystems.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: netfilter@vger.kernel.org, Linux Networking Developer Mailing List , lartc@vger.kernel.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Niccol=C3=B2?= Belli Return-path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194]:60055 "EHLO mout.perfora.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750888Ab1L2TEE convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:04:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4EFC9FC2.1090503@linuxsystems.it> Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Niccol=C3=B2 Belli" > To: lartc@vger.kernel.org > Cc: netfilter@vger.kernel.org, "Linux Networking Developer Mailing Li= st" > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:13:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Announce] LARTC wiki available >=20 > Il 29/12/2011 17:19, Hagen Paul Pfeifer ha scritto: > > But I don't like the idea to outhouse the existing wiki. Why two > > wikis? >=20 > Because if you need an invite to edit something then it isn't a wiki > anymore, for example. >=20 >=20 > > What happened with the wiki server if you leave the university? >=20 > This isn't a problem, because relocating would be as simple as doing > a > database dump. Releasing dumps publicly wouldn't be a problem too. > Also, > there is no reason to keep using my servers when better alternatives > arise. I created the wiki in a dedicated server because I didn't find > viable alternatives (unlike for the mailing list) and considering the > few feedbacks I received hopefully doing something tangible would > create > more interest: I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks there > isn't enough documentation for the *end user*. >=20 > > So maybe the user > > restriction on linuxfoundation.org should be changed? >=20 > Yes, IMHO. >=20 > > https://www.wiki.kernel.org/. >=20 > It seems a wiki for a kernel hacker, not for the end user. >=20 > P.S. > Feedbacks are welcome, if there is no interest at all maybe we should > just discard the idea after all. >=20 > I can certainly concur that there is a lack of end user documentation. = I have found the net devs extremely helpful and am deeply grateful for= their support but I do sometimes chuckle because the documentation and= the responses are written from such a developer's context. Of course,= that is entirely expected and I don't mean the least bit of disrespect= ; I stand in complete awe of the net devs. But the needs and perspectives of net devs and system engineers/admins = are very different and rightly so. So, I'd love to see a hybrid enviro= nment where we have the best of both worlds (but where sys admin types = don't feel completely lost and overwhelmed). Thanks, all - John