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From: "Arinzon, David" <darinzon@amazon.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Machulsky, Zorik" <zorik@amazon.com>,
	"Matushevsky, Alexander" <matua@amazon.com>,
	"Bshara, Saeed" <saeedb@amazon.com>,
	"Bshara, Nafea" <nafea@amazon.com>,
	"Saidi, Ali" <alisaidi@amazon.com>,
	"Kiyanovski, Arthur" <akiyano@amazon.com>,
	"Dagan, Noam" <ndagan@amazon.com>,
	"Agroskin, Shay" <shayagr@amazon.com>,
	"Itzko, Shahar" <itzko@amazon.com>,
	"Abboud, Osama" <osamaabb@amazon.com>,
	"Schmeilin, Evgeny" <evgenys@amazon.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH V1 net-next 0/5] Add devlink support to ena
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:21:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2ad9b7b544d745aebd5ddd79bf2efa12@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230111120003.1a2e2357@kernel.org>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 10:00 PM
> To: Arinzon, David <darinzon@amazon.com>
> Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>; netdev@vger.kernel.org;
> Machulsky, Zorik <zorik@amazon.com>; Matushevsky, Alexander
> <matua@amazon.com>; Bshara, Saeed <saeedb@amazon.com>; Bshara,
> Nafea <nafea@amazon.com>; Saidi, Ali <alisaidi@amazon.com>;
> Kiyanovski, Arthur <akiyano@amazon.com>; Dagan, Noam
> <ndagan@amazon.com>; Agroskin, Shay <shayagr@amazon.com>; Itzko,
> Shahar <itzko@amazon.com>; Abboud, Osama <osamaabb@amazon.com>
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL][PATCH V1 net-next 0/5] Add devlink support to
> ena
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> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:31:39 +0000 Arinzon, David wrote:
> > If the packet network headers are not within the size of the LLQ
> > entry, then the packet will be dropped. So I'll say that c) describes
> > the impact the best given that certain types of traffic will not succeed or
> have disruptions due to dropped TX packets.
> 
> I see. Sounds like it could be a fit for
> DEVLINK_ATTR_ESWITCH_INLINE_MODE ? But that one configures the
> depth of the headers copied inline, rather than bytes. We could add a value
> for "tunneled" and have that imply 256B LLQ in case of ena.
> 
> The other option is to introduce the concept of "max length of inline data"
> to ethtool, and add a new netlink attribute to ethtool -g.
> 
> Either way - the length of "inline|push" data is not a ena-specific concept,
> so using private knobs (devlink params or ethtool flags) is not appropriate
> upstream. We should add a bona fide uAPI for it.

I've looked into the original commit of DEVLINK_ATTR_ESWITCH_INLINE_MODE
and it seems to be more related to encapsulation and adding a tunneling concept
here would be misleading, as it doesn't cover all the use-cases affected here.
It is true that in case of tunneling and if there's a need to access the encapsulated
headers, the length of the headers might be larger than the default value in LLQ,
but this may be also the case for non-tunneled traffic, for example,
IPv6 with TCP SACK option.

I'll note again that this is not a configurable value, meaning, the only option is
to have 128B (standard) or 256B (large) LLQ, there's no option to set other values,
but only choose between the modes, therefore, I don't see how having such an
option through ethtool, as you suggested (setting the max length) can be
beneficial in our use-case (might be good overall, as you noted, it's a more
generic concept). Will put more thought into it.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-11 21:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-08 10:35 [PATCH V1 net-next 0/5] Add devlink support to ena David Arinzon
2023-01-08 10:35 ` [PATCH V1 net-next 1/5] net: ena: Register ena device to devlink David Arinzon
2023-01-09  5:59   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2023-01-10 15:17     ` Arinzon, David
2023-01-08 10:35 ` [PATCH V1 net-next 2/5] net: ena: Add devlink reload functionality David Arinzon
2023-01-08 10:35 ` [PATCH V1 net-next 3/5] net: ena: Configure large LLQ using devlink params David Arinzon
2023-01-08 10:35 ` [PATCH V1 net-next 4/5] net: ena: Several changes to support large LLQ configuration David Arinzon
2023-01-08 10:35 ` [PATCH V1 net-next 5/5] net: ena: Add devlink documentation David Arinzon
2023-01-08 20:15   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-09  6:00   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2023-01-10 15:20     ` Arinzon, David
2023-01-10  0:45 ` [PATCH V1 net-next 0/5] Add devlink support to ena Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-10 20:11   ` Arinzon, David
2023-01-10 20:44     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11  8:58       ` Arinzon, David
2023-01-11 19:00         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11 19:31           ` Arinzon, David
2023-01-11 20:00             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11 21:21               ` Arinzon, David [this message]
2023-01-12  3:39                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-12 10:31               ` Gal Pressman
2023-01-12 13:47                 ` Shay Agroskin
2023-01-12 19:56                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-15 10:05                     ` Gal Pressman
2023-01-17 17:31                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-16 14:23                     ` Shay Agroskin
2023-01-17 17:36                       ` Jakub Kicinski

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