Hi, coming back to Jamals idea of RFC2863 conform operative state, I've made up a short patch on how an implementation could look like. It also takes Tims idea of one struct workstruct per device for link state notification (slightly modified). I know it's incomplete, it doesn't event contain the needed fix on unregister_netdev I critised on Tim's patch, but I want to put it to discussion early. May be it breaks the hotplugging stuff. If we decide to go this way, we'll also need an extension to rtnetlink and a new ioctl to transport the information to userspace. Stefan