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From: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
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	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:33:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e8340490912281333l1459f769yf621a36ad1ed6482@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091228205511.GD1637@ucw.cz>

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> On Mon 2009-12-28 09:37:24, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:10:06 +0100, Pavel Machek said:
>>
>> > a) make disablenetwork reset to "enablenetwork" during setuid exec
>>
>> That won't work either.  If you only make it 'setuid==0' binaries, you still
>> break 'setuid-FOO' binaries that require the net. If you just check the setuid
>> bit, it allows a trivial escape by creating a setuid-yourself binary and using
>> that to exec something else (now with network access, because we apparently
>> don't have a way to remember the previous setting).
>
>
> it is really only required for binaries setuid to someone else, but
> that would be too ugly. (Plus, as someone said, ping is great for
> leaking data out.)

No, this is not sufficient; one needs only to find a setuid process
that can be convinced to run a program with the original (pre-suid)
privileges. For example, one could invoke gpg (older versions setuid
so it can lock memory, executes user code for the passphrase input
agent) or pulseaudio (in some cases setuid to go realtime, loads user
plugins) or screen (setuid for sharing sessions, obviously executes
user programs) or at/cron (did you remember to deny access to these?)
...

Or one can target a non-root setuid program that may have security
holes - how about nethack?

While in modern distros these uses of setuid may be rare, they can
exist, and under the old security model they were safe. Not so
anymore. As such, re-enabling network access upon executing a setuid
program is not acceptable.

That said, I do feel this is a separate issue. The process should
first drop its ability to suid; then it can freely apply additional
restrictions without there being any risk of breaking setuid
applications.

In short, how does this sound:
* Add an API to allow processes to permanently revoke their own
ability to gain privileges from setuid-exec
* Add this disablenetwork facility, conditional on dropping
setuid-exec abilities

This also paves the way for:
* Allow processes that have dropped said suid ability to freely create
new namespaces (and chroot)

Which, combined with doing whatever audits are necessary to allow
cross-network-namespace uses of unix domain sockets, actually
eliminates the need for the disablenetwork API. :)
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-28 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-27  1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  3:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  1:21       ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  7:53   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29  1:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09       ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:20   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11       ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44           ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54         ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58           ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11  1:07               ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11  1:45                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12  6:10                     ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14  9:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36                             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:10                                     ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-17  2:58                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
     [not found]                                           ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17  4:58                                             ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-17  6:01                                       ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
     [not found]                                         ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-11  1:46                 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12  3:19                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  4:01                     ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12  2:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  7:59               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14  9:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-18 12:54                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56                       ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 23:08             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41               ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11  1:50                 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11  2:15                   ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:58           ` James Morris
2009-12-27  1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:39   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27  8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27  8:38   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49     ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18       ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47         ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08         ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28  6:07           ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33                   ` Bryan Donlan [this message]
2009-12-29  6:08                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 15:06                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31               ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 18:13           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  5:01             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:31                 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 11:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01                       ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10                     ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35                             ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  3:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  4:29                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:35                               ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:54                                 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30  4:33                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  4:57                                     ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49                                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:17                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15                                                 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29                                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00                                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  2:44                                                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33                                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20                                                               ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35                                                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18                                                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02  0:42                                                                           ` Peter Dolding
     [not found]                                                                             ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03  1:43                                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46                                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17                                                                   ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57                                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  8:57                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00                                                         ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08                                                           ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06                                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01  0:12                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29                                         ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03                   ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-01 15:11               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27  8:51   ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55   ` Michael Stone

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