Re: [patch/RFC] networking menus

Re: [patch/RFC] networking menus

[Nivedita Singhvi]

Randy.Dunlap wrote:

> This is just a first pass/RFC.  It moves "Networking support" out of
> the "Device Drivers" menu, which seems helpful to me.  However,
> ISTM that it should really just be the "Networking options" here
> and not include Amateur Radio, IrDA, and Bluetooth support.
> I.e., I think that those latter 3 should fall under Device Drivers.
> Does that make sense to anyone else?

Just a comment that those 3 subsystems are not just
device drivers, they have non-trivial amount of code
in the protocol stack under ../net/. So would moving
them to device drivers be misleading in any way?

I can see pulling out Networking support from under
device drivers, though.

> Does this need to be discussed on netdev (also)?

Yes. :)

thanks,
Nivedita

> 
> // Linux 2.6.4
> // Rearrange networking menus so that Networking support/options
> // isn't buried inside Device Drivers.
 >
> diffstat:=
>  drivers/Kconfig       |    4 +++-
>  init/Kconfig          |    0
>  net/Kconfig           |    6 ++----
>  net/ax25/Kconfig      |    7 ++-----
>  net/bluetooth/Kconfig |    4 +---
>  net/irda/Kconfig      |    6 ++----
>  6 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 17 deletions(-)
> 
> 
> diff -Naurp ./drivers/Kconfig~net_config ./drivers/Kconfig
> --- ./drivers/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:44.000000000 -0800
> +++ ./drivers/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:20:39.000000000 -0800
> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
>  # drivers/Kconfig
>  
> +source "net/Kconfig"
> +
>  menu "Device Drivers"
>  
>  source "drivers/base/Kconfig"
> @@ -28,7 +30,7 @@ source "drivers/message/i2o/Kconfig"
>  
>  source "drivers/macintosh/Kconfig"
>  
> -source "net/Kconfig"
> +source "drivers/net/Kconfig"
>  
>  source "drivers/isdn/Kconfig"
>  
> diff -Naurp ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig~net_config ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig
> --- ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:43.000000000 -0800
> +++ ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:41:42.000000000 -0800
> @@ -2,10 +2,8 @@
>  # Bluetooth subsystem configuration
>  #
>  
> -menu "Bluetooth support"
> +menuconfig BT
>  	depends on NET
> -
> -config BT
>  	tristate "Bluetooth subsystem support"
>  	help
>  	  Bluetooth is low-cost, low-power, short-range wireless technology.
> diff -Naurp ./net/irda/Kconfig~net_config ./net/irda/Kconfig
> --- ./net/irda/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:27.000000000 -0800
> +++ ./net/irda/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:39:39.000000000 -0800
> @@ -2,11 +2,9 @@
>  # IrDA protocol configuration
>  #
>  
> -menu "IrDA (infrared) support"
> +menuconfig IRDA
>  	depends on NET
> -
> -config IRDA
> -	tristate "IrDA subsystem support"
> +	tristate "IrDA (infrared) subsystem support"
>  	---help---
>  	  Say Y here if you want to build support for the IrDA (TM) protocols.
>  	  The Infrared Data Associations (tm) specifies standards for wireless
> diff -Naurp ./net/ax25/Kconfig~net_config ./net/ax25/Kconfig
> --- ./net/ax25/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:44.000000000 -0800
> +++ ./net/ax25/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:40:01.000000000 -0800
> @@ -6,9 +6,8 @@
>  #		Joerg Reuter DL1BKE <jreuter@yaina.de>
>  # 19980129	Moved to net/ax25/Config.in, sourcing device drivers.
>  
> -menu "Amateur Radio support"
> -
> -config HAMRADIO
> +menuconfig HAMRADIO
> +	depends on NET
>  	bool "Amateur Radio support"
>  	help
>  	  If you want to connect your Linux box to an amateur radio, answer Y
> @@ -109,5 +108,3 @@ source "drivers/net/hamradio/Kconfig"
>  
>  endmenu
>  
> -endmenu
> -
> diff -Naurp ./net/Kconfig~net_config ./net/Kconfig
> --- ./net/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:21.000000000 -0800
> +++ ./net/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:24:30.000000000 -0800
> @@ -2,9 +2,9 @@
>  # Network configuration
>  #
>  
> -menu "Networking support"
> +###menu "Networking support"
>  
> -config NET
> +menuconfig NET
>  	bool "Networking support"
>  	---help---
>  	  Unless you really know what you are doing, you should say Y here.
> @@ -650,8 +650,6 @@ endmenu
>  
>  endmenu
>  
> -source "drivers/net/Kconfig"
> -
>  source "net/ax25/Kconfig"
>  
>  source "net/irda/Kconfig"
> diff -Naurp ./init/Kconfig~net_config ./init/Kconfig
> -
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Re: [patch/RFC] networking menus

[Randy.Dunlap]

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:17:17 -0800 Nivedita Singhvi <niv@us.ibm.com> wrote:

| Randy.Dunlap wrote:
| 
| > This is just a first pass/RFC.  It moves "Networking support" out of
| > the "Device Drivers" menu, which seems helpful to me.  However,
| > ISTM that it should really just be the "Networking options" here
| > and not include Amateur Radio, IrDA, and Bluetooth support.
| > I.e., I think that those latter 3 should fall under Device Drivers.
| > Does that make sense to anyone else?
| 
| Just a comment that those 3 subsystems are not just
| device drivers, they have non-trivial amount of code
| in the protocol stack under ../net/. So would moving
| them to device drivers be misleading in any way?
| 
| I can see pulling out Networking support from under
| device drivers, though.

Agreed, I looked again and those 3 should stay under
"Networking support."  I'm still looking for other items
to move to make it all easier to navigate.

| > Does this need to be discussed on netdev (also)?
| 
| Yes. :)

OK.  Thanks for cc-ing it.

| thanks,
| Nivedita
| 
| > 
| > // Linux 2.6.4
| > // Rearrange networking menus so that Networking support/options
| > // isn't buried inside Device Drivers.
|  >
| > diffstat:=
| >  drivers/Kconfig       |    4 +++-
| >  init/Kconfig          |    0
| >  net/Kconfig           |    6 ++----
| >  net/ax25/Kconfig      |    7 ++-----
| >  net/bluetooth/Kconfig |    4 +---
| >  net/irda/Kconfig      |    6 ++----
| >  6 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 17 deletions(-)
| > 
| > 
| > diff -Naurp ./drivers/Kconfig~net_config ./drivers/Kconfig
| > --- ./drivers/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:44.000000000 -0800
| > +++ ./drivers/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:20:39.000000000 -0800
| > @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
| >  # drivers/Kconfig
| >  
| > +source "net/Kconfig"
| > +
| >  menu "Device Drivers"
| >  
| >  source "drivers/base/Kconfig"
| > @@ -28,7 +30,7 @@ source "drivers/message/i2o/Kconfig"
| >  
| >  source "drivers/macintosh/Kconfig"
| >  
| > -source "net/Kconfig"
| > +source "drivers/net/Kconfig"
| >  
| >  source "drivers/isdn/Kconfig"
| >  
| > diff -Naurp ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig~net_config ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig
| > --- ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:43.000000000 -0800
| > +++ ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:41:42.000000000 -0800
| > @@ -2,10 +2,8 @@
| >  # Bluetooth subsystem configuration
| >  #
| >  
| > -menu "Bluetooth support"
| > +menuconfig BT
| >  	depends on NET
| > -
| > -config BT
| >  	tristate "Bluetooth subsystem support"
| >  	help
| >  	  Bluetooth is low-cost, low-power, short-range wireless technology.
| > diff -Naurp ./net/irda/Kconfig~net_config ./net/irda/Kconfig
| > --- ./net/irda/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:27.000000000 -0800
| > +++ ./net/irda/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:39:39.000000000 -0800
| > @@ -2,11 +2,9 @@
| >  # IrDA protocol configuration
| >  #
| >  
| > -menu "IrDA (infrared) support"
| > +menuconfig IRDA
| >  	depends on NET
| > -
| > -config IRDA
| > -	tristate "IrDA subsystem support"
| > +	tristate "IrDA (infrared) subsystem support"
| >  	---help---
| >  	  Say Y here if you want to build support for the IrDA (TM) protocols.
| >  	  The Infrared Data Associations (tm) specifies standards for wireless
| > diff -Naurp ./net/ax25/Kconfig~net_config ./net/ax25/Kconfig
| > --- ./net/ax25/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:44.000000000 -0800
| > +++ ./net/ax25/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:40:01.000000000 -0800
| > @@ -6,9 +6,8 @@
| >  #		Joerg Reuter DL1BKE <jreuter@yaina.de>
| >  # 19980129	Moved to net/ax25/Config.in, sourcing device drivers.
| >  
| > -menu "Amateur Radio support"
| > -
| > -config HAMRADIO
| > +menuconfig HAMRADIO
| > +	depends on NET
| >  	bool "Amateur Radio support"
| >  	help
| >  	  If you want to connect your Linux box to an amateur radio, answer Y
| > @@ -109,5 +108,3 @@ source "drivers/net/hamradio/Kconfig"
| >  
| >  endmenu
| >  
| > -endmenu
| > -
| > diff -Naurp ./net/Kconfig~net_config ./net/Kconfig
| > --- ./net/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:21.000000000 -0800
| > +++ ./net/Kconfig	2004-03-12 15:24:30.000000000 -0800
| > @@ -2,9 +2,9 @@
| >  # Network configuration
| >  #
| >  
| > -menu "Networking support"
| > +###menu "Networking support"
| >  
| > -config NET
| > +menuconfig NET
| >  	bool "Networking support"
| >  	---help---
| >  	  Unless you really know what you are doing, you should say Y here.
| > @@ -650,8 +650,6 @@ endmenu
| >  
| >  endmenu
| >  
| > -source "drivers/net/Kconfig"
| > -
| >  source "net/ax25/Kconfig"
| >  
| >  source "net/irda/Kconfig"
| > diff -Naurp ./init/Kconfig~net_config ./init/Kconfig
| > -


--
~Randy

Re: [patch/RFC] networking menus

[Randy.Dunlap]

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:07:24 -0800 "Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org> wrote:

| On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:17:17 -0800 Nivedita Singhvi <niv@us.ibm.com> wrote:
| 
| | Randy.Dunlap wrote:
| | 
| | > This is just a first pass/RFC.  It moves "Networking support" out of
| | > the "Device Drivers" menu, which seems helpful to me.  However,
| | > ISTM that it should really just be the "Networking options" here
| | > and not include Amateur Radio, IrDA, and Bluetooth support.
| | > I.e., I think that those latter 3 should fall under Device Drivers.
| | > Does that make sense to anyone else?
| | 
| | Just a comment that those 3 subsystems are not just
| | device drivers, they have non-trivial amount of code
| | in the protocol stack under ../net/. So would moving
| | them to device drivers be misleading in any way?
| | 
| | I can see pulling out Networking support from under
| | device drivers, though.
| 
| Agreed, I looked again and those 3 should stay under
| "Networking support."  I'm still looking for other items
| to move to make it all easier to navigate.

Does it make sense to anyone besides me to move protocol-related
modules like SLIP, PPP, and PLIP from Device Drivers/Network device(s)
to "Networking support"?
They feel more like protocols than device drivers to me....


| | > Does this need to be discussed on netdev (also)?
| | 
| | Yes. :)
| 
| OK.  Thanks for cc-ing it.
| 
| | thanks,
| | Nivedita


--
~Randy

PATCH] networking menus v2

[Randy.Dunlap]

v1 intro:

| BenH mentioned last week that the networking menus need some help.
| They are too twisted or confusing or something.
| 
| I was already looking into this.  Roman suggested s/config/menuconfig/,
| which is helpful.
| 
| This is just a first pass/RFC.  It moves "Networking support" out of
| the "Device Drivers" menu, which seems helpful to me.  However,
| ISTM that it should really just be the "Networking options" here
| and not include Amateur Radio, IrDA, and Bluetooth support.
| I.e., I think that those latter 3 should fall under Device Drivers.
| Does that make sense to anyone else?
| 
| Other comments?

Here is version 2.  It's ready to be merged IMO.  Please apply.

Any other comments/suggestions?

Thanks,
--
~Randy


// linux-2.6.4-bk4

// Networking support/options and Networking drivers have been, uhm,
// messy to navigate for some time now.  They generally have grown in
// an ad hoc manner.  BenH mentioned this last Friday, and I was
// already looking into options to clean it up.  This patch puts some
// kind of order back into the networking menus.

// This is a cleanup of Networking support/options and Networking Drivers.
// It presents a more consistent interface and lists similar driver
// groups closer together.
// It moves Networking options out of the Network device drivers menu
// and into its own menu block.
// It also moves the IBMVETH driver so that it no longer breaks the
// dependency tree, allowing other drivers (nearby in Kconfig file)
// to be presented in a more linear manner.


diffstat:=
 drivers/Kconfig       |    4 ++-
 drivers/net/Kconfig   |   55 ++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------------------
 net/Kconfig           |   21 +++++++------------
 net/ax25/Kconfig      |    7 +-----
 net/bluetooth/Kconfig |    6 -----
 net/irda/Kconfig      |    8 +------
 6 files changed, 43 insertions(+), 58 deletions(-)


diff -Naurp ./drivers/net/Kconfig~net_config ./drivers/net/Kconfig
--- ./drivers/net/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-15 12:56:22.000000000 -0800
+++ ./drivers/net/Kconfig	2004-03-15 13:48:23.000000000 -0800
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 # Network device configuration
 #
 
-config NETDEVICES
+menuconfig NETDEVICES
 	depends on NET
 	bool "Network device support"
 	---help---
@@ -21,10 +21,6 @@ config NETDEVICES
 
 	  If unsure, say Y.
 
-if NETDEVICES
-	source "drivers/net/arcnet/Kconfig"
-endif
-
 config DUMMY
 	tristate "Dummy net driver support"
 	depends on NETDEVICES
@@ -155,6 +151,10 @@ config NET_SB1000
 
 	  If you don't have this card, of course say N.
 
+if NETDEVICES
+	source "drivers/net/arcnet/Kconfig"
+endif
+
 #
 #	Ethernet
 #
@@ -1178,6 +1178,17 @@ config IBMLANA
 	  boards with this driver should be possible, but has not been tested
 	  up to now due to lack of hardware.
 
+config IBMVETH
+	tristate "IBM LAN Virtual Ethernet support"
+	depends on NETDEVICES && NET_ETHERNET && PPC_PSERIES
+	---help---
+	  This driver supports virtual ethernet adapters on newer IBM iSeries
+	  and pSeries systems.
+
+	  To compile this driver as a module, choose M here and read
+	  <file:Documentation/networking/net-modules.txt>. The module will
+	  be called ibmveth.
+
 config NET_PCI
 	bool "EISA, VLB, PCI and on board controllers"
 	depends on NET_ETHERNET && (ISA || EISA || PCI)
@@ -2103,6 +2114,17 @@ config IXGB_NAPI
 
 endmenu
 
+source "drivers/net/tokenring/Kconfig"
+
+source "drivers/net/wireless/Kconfig"
+
+source "drivers/net/pcmcia/Kconfig"
+
+source "drivers/net/wan/Kconfig"
+
+source "drivers/atm/Kconfig"
+
+source "drivers/s390/net/Kconfig"
 
 config VETH
 	tristate "iSeries Virtual Ethernet driver support"
@@ -2170,17 +2192,6 @@ config HIPPI
 	  under Linux, say Y here (you must also remember to enable the driver
 	  for your HIPPI card below). Most people will say N here.
 
-config IBMVETH
-	tristate "IBM LAN Virtual Ethernet support"
-	depends on NETDEVICES && NET_ETHERNET && PPC_PSERIES
-	---help---
-	  This driver supports virtual ethernet adapters on newer IBM iSeries
-	  and pSeries systems.
-
-	  To compile this driver as a module, choose M here and read
-	  <file:Documentation/networking/net-modules.txt>. The module will
-	  be called ibmveth.
-
 config ROADRUNNER
 	tristate "Essential RoadRunner HIPPI PCI adapter support (EXPERIMENTAL)"
 	depends on HIPPI && PCI
@@ -2438,10 +2449,6 @@ config SLIP_MODE_SLIP6
 	  end of the link as well. It's good enough, for example, to run IP
 	  over the async ports of a Camtec JNT Pad. If unsure, say N.
 
-source "drivers/net/wireless/Kconfig"
-
-source "drivers/net/tokenring/Kconfig"
-
 config NET_FC
 	bool "Fibre Channel driver support"
 	depends on NETDEVICES && SCSI && PCI
@@ -2501,11 +2508,3 @@ config NETCONSOLE
 	---help---
 	If you want to log kernel messages over the network, enable this.
 	See Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt for details.
-
-source "drivers/net/wan/Kconfig"
-
-source "drivers/net/pcmcia/Kconfig"
-
-source "drivers/atm/Kconfig"
-
-source "drivers/s390/net/Kconfig"
diff -Naurp ./drivers/Kconfig~net_config ./drivers/Kconfig
--- ./drivers/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:44.000000000 -0800
+++ ./drivers/Kconfig	2004-03-15 12:58:49.000000000 -0800
@@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
 # drivers/Kconfig
 
+source "net/Kconfig"
+
 menu "Device Drivers"
 
 source "drivers/base/Kconfig"
@@ -28,7 +30,7 @@ source "drivers/message/i2o/Kconfig"
 
 source "drivers/macintosh/Kconfig"
 
-source "net/Kconfig"
+source "drivers/net/Kconfig"
 
 source "drivers/isdn/Kconfig"
 
diff -Naurp ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig~net_config ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig
--- ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:43.000000000 -0800
+++ ./net/bluetooth/Kconfig	2004-03-15 12:59:12.000000000 -0800
@@ -2,10 +2,8 @@
 # Bluetooth subsystem configuration
 #
 
-menu "Bluetooth support"
+menuconfig BT
 	depends on NET
-
-config BT
 	tristate "Bluetooth subsystem support"
 	help
 	  Bluetooth is low-cost, low-power, short-range wireless technology.
@@ -62,5 +60,3 @@ source "net/bluetooth/cmtp/Kconfig"
 
 source "drivers/bluetooth/Kconfig"
 
-endmenu
-
diff -Naurp ./net/irda/Kconfig~net_config ./net/irda/Kconfig
--- ./net/irda/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:27.000000000 -0800
+++ ./net/irda/Kconfig	2004-03-15 12:59:12.000000000 -0800
@@ -2,11 +2,9 @@
 # IrDA protocol configuration
 #
 
-menu "IrDA (infrared) support"
+menuconfig IRDA
 	depends on NET
-
-config IRDA
-	tristate "IrDA subsystem support"
+	tristate "IrDA (infrared) subsystem support"
 	---help---
 	  Say Y here if you want to build support for the IrDA (TM) protocols.
 	  The Infrared Data Associations (tm) specifies standards for wireless
@@ -95,5 +93,3 @@ config IRDA_DEBUG
 
 source "drivers/net/irda/Kconfig"
 
-endmenu
-
diff -Naurp ./net/ax25/Kconfig~net_config ./net/ax25/Kconfig
--- ./net/ax25/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-10 18:55:44.000000000 -0800
+++ ./net/ax25/Kconfig	2004-03-15 12:58:49.000000000 -0800
@@ -6,9 +6,8 @@
 #		Joerg Reuter DL1BKE <jreuter@yaina.de>
 # 19980129	Moved to net/ax25/Config.in, sourcing device drivers.
 
-menu "Amateur Radio support"
-
-config HAMRADIO
+menuconfig HAMRADIO
+	depends on NET
 	bool "Amateur Radio support"
 	help
 	  If you want to connect your Linux box to an amateur radio, answer Y
@@ -109,5 +108,3 @@ source "drivers/net/hamradio/Kconfig"
 
 endmenu
 
-endmenu
-
diff -Naurp ./net/Kconfig~net_config ./net/Kconfig
--- ./net/Kconfig~net_config	2004-03-15 12:56:23.000000000 -0800
+++ ./net/Kconfig	2004-03-15 13:38:59.000000000 -0800
@@ -2,9 +2,7 @@
 # Network configuration
 #
 
-menu "Networking support"
-
-config NET
+menuconfig NET
 	bool "Networking support"
 	---help---
 	  Unless you really know what you are doing, you should say Y here.
@@ -648,16 +646,6 @@ config NET_PKTGEN
 
 endmenu
 
-endmenu
-
-source "drivers/net/Kconfig"
-
-source "net/ax25/Kconfig"
-
-source "net/irda/Kconfig"
-
-source "net/bluetooth/Kconfig"
-
 config NETPOLL
 	def_bool NETCONSOLE
 
@@ -675,3 +663,10 @@ config NET_POLL_CONTROLLER
 	def_bool NETPOLL
 
 endmenu
+
+source "net/ax25/Kconfig"
+
+source "net/irda/Kconfig"
+
+source "net/bluetooth/Kconfig"
+

Re: [patch/RFC] networking menus

[Ingo Oeser]

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Hi,

On Monday 15 March 2004 05:54, Randy.Dunlap wrote:
> Does it make sense to anyone besides me to move protocol-related
> modules like SLIP, PPP, and PLIP from Device Drivers/Network device(s)
> to "Networking support"?
> They feel more like protocols than device drivers to me....

Or just create sth. like:

Stacks
	+- IPv6
	+- LLC
	+- IrDA
	+- Bluetooth

Protocols
	+- PPP
	+- SLIP
	+- ...

Routing
	+- Multicast
	+- Advanced router

Filtering
Devices

Or similiar

Regards

Ingo Oeser

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