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From: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, pabeni@redhat.com,
	horms@kernel.org, dsahern@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10 net-next] Convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in and remove stubs
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 21:02:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <411bcf03-5993-478d-9809-3e04567ff09a@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260309161826.46074d55@kernel.org>

On 10/03/2026 00:18, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Mar 2026 11:26:08 +0100 Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> Heh, I just checked, that's 6 MB module on arm64 which apparently you
>> want to put into the kernel!
> 
> Pretty sure you get 6MB because you have DEBUG_INFO enabled?

Yeah, that was defconfig with KASAN, not full debug info. defconfig
comes with deduced debug info.  In one of other email threads I
corrected that actual size on distro kernel is much smaller, e.g.
200-400 kB depending on arch or distro settings.

> IMO "I have full debug info but I care about kernel size" is
> internally inconsistent.

My argument is that many of arm64 devices I work with have fixed
partition sizes, come with their own bootloader which uses separate
fixed-size boot partition. I still want to be able to load arm64
defconfig into that boot partition. If it does not fit, I need to tweak
defconfig, e.g. disable some options.

I find it valid usecase and I was disagreeing here with that cloud-only
or big-machines-only approach.

> 
> Here is the top line of bloatometer without debug info:
> 
>   add/remove: 1769/7 grow/shrink: 86/0 up/down: 374521/-228 (374293)
> 
> The vmlinux increases by 200kB with IPv6 built in.
> Not a very dramatic increase.
> 
> Please note that opening any dual-stack socket will cause the IPv6
> module to get loaded. And opening a dual-stack socket will fail if 
> IPv6 is blacklisted. So I find it quite hard to believe that other
> that deeply embedded systems with custom configs there are systems
> out there which don't end up with IPv6 loaded. Whether they have 
> a single IPv6 address configured or not.

Yes, Ubuntu for that reasons does not have it even as module.

This should be used as *the* argument for these changes.

> 
> And if we stop supporting =m we can actually turn a bunch of indirect
> calls into static inlines so in practice the memory use on real system
> will be lower! 
> 
> Please be reasonable, this is objectively the right move.

I am very reasonable, just need to hear reasons. Just to remind - none
of the machines I have, none of the routers, none of the mobile phones
on 4G and 5G receive IPv6 so they don't actually need it. Not having
IPv6 built-in is therefore a valid use case.

Best regards,
Krzysztof

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-10 20:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-09  2:19 [PATCH 00/10 net-next] Convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in and remove stubs Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 01/10 net-next] ipv6: convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in only and clean up Kconfigs Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 10:24   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-10 19:40     ` Kolbjørn Barmen
2026-03-10 19:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-10 20:35         ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-03-10 21:18         ` Bjørn Mork
2026-03-10 22:18           ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-03-11  8:21         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 02/10 net-next] ipv6: replace IS_BUILTIN(CONFIG_IPV6) with IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_IPV6) Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 03/10 net-next] ipv6: remove dynamic ICMPv6 sender registration infrastructure Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 04/10 net-next] ipv6: prepare headers for ipv6_stub removal Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 05/10 net-next] drivers: net: drop ipv6_stub usage and use direct function calls Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 06/10 net-next] ipv4: " Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 07/10 net-next] net: convert remaining ipv6_stub users to " Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 08/10 net-next] bpf: remove ipv6_bpf_stub completely and use " Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 09/10 net-next] ipv6: remove ipv6_stub infrastructure completely Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09  2:19 ` [PATCH 10/10 net-next] netfilter: remove nf_ipv6_ops and use direct function calls Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 10:22 ` [PATCH 00/10 net-next] Convert CONFIG_IPV6 to built-in and remove stubs Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 10:26   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 23:18     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-10 20:02       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski [this message]
2026-03-10 21:42         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-10 22:15           ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 11:33   ` David Woodhouse
2026-03-09 11:38   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 12:43     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 12:58       ` Daniel Borkmann
2026-03-09 13:02         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 13:14           ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-16 10:24           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-16 10:33             ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-16 10:50               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-16 10:58                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-16 11:10               ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-16 11:17                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-09 13:07       ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-03-09 14:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-09 15:10   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera

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