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From: greg chesson <greg@atheros.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@studorgs.rutgers.edu>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Vladimir Kondratiev <vkondra@mail.ru>,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, acx100-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	hadi@cyberus.ca, jkmaline@cc.hut.fi, prism54-devel@prism54.org,
	sam@errno.com, vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua
Subject: Re: generic 802.11 stack
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:51:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41479228.8080507@atheros.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <414788A4.7070003@pobox.com>



Jeff Garzik wrote:
<snip>
> 
> 
> While I don't mind dual-licensing per se, I really dislike the 
> associated _technical_ crap that comes along with it, namely
> 
> * cross-OS compatibility wrappers
> * attempts to pretend that locking is _remotely_ similar between BSD and 
> Linux net stacks
> * use of non-Linux coding styles and memes
> * over-engineering and over-abstraction
> 

<snip>

I won't try to argue that these are not valid points -
except for maybe the last one because it is so subjective.
But not in this email.

I do argue that these points are not relevant to the question
of  whether or not a strict stack model of 802.11 management
and encapsulation procedures will suffice for anything more
than the most basic functionality.   That is an interesting question
that deserves an answer.

Personally, I think it will be necessary to have more shared information 
and procedures between
driver and 802.11 stack than is convenient or elegant in a strict stack 
arrangement.
  But, I've been wrong before.
Perhaps a fresh start with unbiased implementation will do something 
wonderful.
I look forward to seeing how a new implementation deals with the 
power-save packets
in the presence of qos, crypto, and fragmentation - all of which are 
necessary evils
if you want to pass wifi certification tests.

g

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-15  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-31 18:11 [RFC] acx100 inclusion in mainline; generic 802.11 stack Denis Vlasenko
2004-08-31 18:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-31 19:14   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-08-31 21:37     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-08-31 22:06       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-01  2:22       ` Jouni Malinen
2004-09-02 20:24   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-02 20:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-03 17:37       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-03 20:29         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-06 18:13 ` Sam Leffler
2004-09-06 18:57   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-06 19:30     ` Sam Leffler
2004-09-06 20:09       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-06 23:04         ` Sam Leffler
2004-09-07  1:23   ` David S. Miller
2004-09-07  4:32     ` Sam Leffler
2004-09-07  6:47       ` David S. Miller
2004-09-07 17:22         ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-07 17:32           ` David S. Miller
2004-09-07 18:06             ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-07 18:08               ` David S. Miller
2004-09-07 18:41                 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-07 19:10                   ` David S. Miller
2004-09-07 19:54                     ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-09  2:40                       ` Sam Leffler
2004-09-09  4:36                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-09-07 17:03       ` [RFC] acx100 inclusion in mainline; " greg chesson
2004-09-07 17:10         ` David S. Miller
2004-09-07 18:14           ` greg chesson
2004-09-07 18:16             ` David S. Miller
2004-09-08  7:38           ` jamal
2004-09-08 16:02             ` greg chesson
2004-09-08 19:51               ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-08 20:52                 ` greg chesson
2004-09-08 21:54                   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-09 17:06                     ` greg chesson
2004-09-12 18:03                       ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-13  0:09                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-13  0:45                           ` David S. Miller
2004-09-15 17:57                             ` James Ketrenos
2004-09-13  0:14                         ` David S. Miller
2004-09-13  5:39                           ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-13  5:50                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-13 23:21                               ` David S. Miller
2004-09-14  5:14                                 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-14  5:35                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-09-14 23:55                                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-09-15  0:11                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-15  0:51                                         ` greg chesson [this message]
2004-09-15  1:19                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-15  3:02                                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-09-15  3:05                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-09-15  3:17                                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-09-15  5:44                                                   ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-15 14:47                                                     ` greg chesson
2004-09-15 15:55                                                       ` David S. Miller
2004-09-15 16:48                                                         ` Sam Leffler
2004-09-15 17:06                                                           ` David S. Miller
2004-09-28 12:20                   ` [RFC] acx100 inclusion in mainline; " Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-09-28 20:29                     ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-29  0:48                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-09-29  7:10                         ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-09-29  8:00                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-10-01 14:30                             ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-10-01 22:53                               ` David S. Miller
2004-10-01 23:25                                 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-10-02  0:11                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-09-08 21:19                 ` [Acx100-devel] Re: [RFC] acx100 inclusion in mainline; " Denis Vlasenko
2004-09-09  3:31                   ` Sam Leffler

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