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From: P@draigBrady.com
To: hadi@cyberus.ca
Cc: mellia@prezzemolo.polito.it,
	Robert Olsson <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>,
	e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Jorge Manuel Finochietto <jorge.finochietto@polito.it>,
	Giulio Galante <galante@polito.it>,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [E1000-devel] Transmission limit
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:19:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41AAF7B3.8080204@draigBrady.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1101499285.1079.45.camel@jzny.localdomain>

jamal wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 11:57, P@draigBrady.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>>skb are de/allocated using standard kernel memory management. Still,
>>>without touching the packet, we can receive 100% of them.
>>
>>I was doing some playing in this area this week.
>>I changed the alloc per packet to a "realloc" per packet.
>>I.E. the e1000 driver owns the packets. I noticed a
>>very nice speedup from this. In summary a userspace
>>app was able to receive 2x250Kpps without this patch,
>>and 2x490Kpps with it. The patch is here:
>>http://www.pixelbeat.org/tmp/linux-2.4.20-pb.diff
> 
> 
> A very angry gorilla on that url ;->

feck. Add a .gz
http://www.pixelbeat.org/tmp/linux-2.4.20-pb.diff.gz

>>Note 99% of that patch is just upgrading from
>>e1000 V4.4.12-k1 to V5.2.52 (which doesn't affect
>>the performance).
>>
>>Wow I just read you're excellent paper, and noticed
>>you used this approach also :-)
>>
> 
> 
> Have to read the paper - When Robert was last visiting here; we did some
> tests and packet recycling is not very valuable as far as SMP is
> concerned (given that packets can be alloced on one CPU and freed on
> another). There a clear win on single CPU machines.

Well for my app, I am just monitoring, so I use
IRQ and process affinity. You could split the
skb heads across CPUs also I guess.

>>>>Small packet performance is dependent on low latency. Higher bus speed
>>>>gives shorter latency but also on higher speed buses there use to be  
>>>>bridges that adds latency.
>>>
>>>That's true. We suspect that the limit is due to bus latency. But still,
>>>we are surprised, since the bus allows to receive 100%, but to transmit
>>>up to ~50%. Moreover the raw aggerate bandwidth of the buffer is _far_
>>>larger (133MHz*64bit ~ 8gbit/s
>>
>>Well there definitely could be an asymmetry wrt bus latency.
>>Saying that though, in my tests with much the same hardware
>>as you, I could only get 800Kpps into the driver.
> 
> 
> Yep, thats about the number i was seeing as well in both pieces of
> hardware i used in the tests in my SUCON presentation.
> 
> 
>> I'll
>>check this again when I have time. Note also that as I understand
>>it the PCI control bus is running at a much lower rate,
>>and that is used to arbitrate the bus for each packet.
>>I.E. the 8Gb/s number above is not the bottleneck.
>>
>>An lspci -vvv for your ethernet devices would be useful
>>Also to view the burst size: setpci -d 8086:1010 e6.b
>>(where 8086:1010 is the ethernet device PCI id).
>>
> 
> Can you talk a little about this PCI control bus? I have heard you
> mention it before ... I am trying to visualize where it fits in PCI
> system.

Basically the bus is arbitrated per packet. See secion 3.5 in:
http://www.intel.com/design/network/applnots/ap453.pdf
This also has lots of nice PCI info:
http://www.hep.man.ac.uk/u/rich/PFLDnet2004/Rich_PFLDNet_10GE_v7.ppt

-- 
Pádraig Brady - http://www.pixelbeat.org
--

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-29 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1101467291.24742.70.camel@mellia.lipar.polito.it>
2004-11-26 14:05 ` [E1000-devel] Transmission limit P
2004-11-26 15:31   ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-26 19:56     ` jamal
2004-11-29 14:21       ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-30 13:46         ` jamal
2004-12-02 17:24           ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-26 20:06     ` jamal
2004-11-26 20:56     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-26 21:02       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-27  9:25     ` Harald Welte
     [not found]       ` <20041127111101.GC23139@xi.wantstofly.org>
2004-11-27 11:31         ` Harald Welte
2004-11-27 20:12       ` Cesar Marcondes
2004-11-29  8:53       ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-29 14:50         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-30  8:42           ` Marco Mellia
2004-12-01 12:25             ` jamal
2004-12-02 13:39               ` Marco Mellia
2004-12-03 13:07                 ` jamal
2004-11-26 15:40   ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-26 15:59     ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-26 16:57       ` P
2004-11-26 20:01         ` jamal
2004-11-29 10:19           ` P [this message]
2004-11-29 13:09           ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-29 20:16             ` David S. Miller
2004-12-01 16:47               ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-30 13:31             ` jamal
2004-11-30 13:46               ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-30 14:25                 ` jamal
2004-12-01  0:11                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-01  1:09                     ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-01 15:34                       ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-01 16:49                         ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-01 17:37                           ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-02 17:54                           ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-02 18:23                           ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-02 23:25                             ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-03  5:23                             ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-10 16:24                             ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-01 18:29                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-01 21:35                         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-02  6:13                           ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-03 13:24                             ` jamal
2004-12-05 14:50                             ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: Re: [E1000-devel] Transmission limit) Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 15:03                               ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 15:15                                 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 15:19                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 15:30                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:00                                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:11                                         ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:38                                           ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 18:14                                             ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 15:42                                 ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 16:48                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:01                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:58                                     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:44                                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:51                                     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:54                                       ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-06 11:32                                         ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: " jamal
2004-12-06 12:11                                           ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-06 12:20                                             ` jamal
2004-12-06 12:23                                               ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-06 12:30                                                 ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-06 13:11                                                   ` jamal
     [not found]                                                     ` <20041206132907.GA13411@xi.wantstofly.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <16820.37049.396306.295878@robur.slu.se>
2004-12-06 17:32                                                         ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: Re: [E1000-devel] " P
2004-12-08 23:36                                   ` Ray Lehtiniemi
     [not found]                                     ` <41B825A5.2000009@draigBrady.com>
     [not found]                                       ` <20041209161825.GA32454@mail.com>
2004-12-09 17:12                                         ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 P
     [not found]                                         ` <20041209164820.GB32454@mail.com>
2004-12-09 17:19                                           ` P
2004-12-09 23:25                                             ` Ray Lehtiniemi
2004-12-05 21:12                                 ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: Re: [E1000-devel] Transmission limit) Scott Feldman
2004-12-05 21:25                                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-06  1:23                                     ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: " Scott Feldman
2004-12-02 17:31                       ` [E1000-devel] Transmission limit Marco Mellia
2004-12-03 20:57                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-04 10:36                         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-01 12:08                     ` jamal
2004-12-01 15:24                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-26 17:58       ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-27 20:00   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-29 12:44     ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-29 15:19       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-29 17:32         ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-29 19:08           ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-29 19:09             ` Lennert Buytenhek

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