* Fw: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts
@ 2005-02-10 8:23 Andrew Morton
2005-02-10 9:22 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2005-02-10 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: netdev
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:00:14 -0800
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Subject: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts
http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4189
Summary: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on
multiple-bonding enviromrnts
Kernel Version: 2.6.10
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Owner: yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org
Submitter: ikebe.takashi@lab.ntt.co.jp
Distribution:Fedora core 3
Hardware Environment: x86, x86_64, NIC is e1000 x4
Software Environment: kernel 2.6.10
Problem Description:
IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding
enviromrnts.
Same link local address is assigned to bond0 & bond1
bond0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:23:A8:F7:78
inet addr:129.60.11.15 Bcast:129.60.11.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
inet6 addr: fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MASTER MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:4109866 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2624 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:360539888 (343.8 MiB) TX bytes:352807 (344.5 KiB)
bond1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:23:A8:F7:79
inet addr:129.60.11.21 Bcast:129.60.11.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
inet6 addr: fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MASTER MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:2483103 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:378 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:221572495 (211.3 MiB) TX bytes:47244 (46.1 KiB)
In the source, net/ipv6/addrconf.c, there is a function;
static int ipv6_generate_eui64(u8 *eui, struct net_device *dev)
It create ipv6 address from MAC address, however it seems dev->dev_addr is "0"
in the case of bonding.
Steps to reproduce:
1.set the multiple bonding to the machine.
(In my case, set 4 nics to use the bonding, and set the double bond as following
modprobe.conf.
alias bond0 bonding
options bond0 miimon=100 mode=1 max_bonds=2
options bond1 -o bonding1 miimon=100 mode=1
)
2.start the network.
3.show /sbin/ifconfig and check link local address.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 8:23 Fw: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts Andrew Morton @ 2005-02-10 9:22 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-10 9:25 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-10 9:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: netdev; +Cc: ikebe.takashi, yoshfuji, davem, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel In article <20050210002356.500401f7.akpm@osdl.org> (at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:23:56 -0800), Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> says: > http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4189 > > Summary: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on > multiple-bonding enviromrnts > Kernel Version: 2.6.10 > Status: NEW > Severity: normal > Owner: yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org > Submitter: ikebe.takashi@lab.ntt.co.jp : > It create ipv6 address from MAC address, however it seems dev->dev_addr is "0" > in the case of bonding. I don't think it is the case. > Steps to reproduce: > 1.set the multiple bonding to the machine. > (In my case, set 4 nics to use the bonding, and set the double bond as following > modprobe.conf. This is the key. That we do is: # ifconfig bond0 up <= here fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 is assigned # ifenslave bond0 eth0 ... IPv6 Link-local address is configured just after the corresponding device is enabled. MAC should be configured before you bring up the interface. So, currently, you need to do this: # ip link set bond0 address 00:01:02:03:04:05 # ifconfig bond0 up <= here fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 is assigned # ifenslave bond0 eth0 ... BTW, why is it required to bring up bonding device before its configuratoin? Ethernet devices is not allowed to change its MAC during it is up. -- Hideaki YOSHIFUJI @ USAGI Project <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> GPG FP: 9022 65EB 1ECF 3AD1 0BDF 80D8 4807 F894 E062 0EEA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 9:22 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-10 9:25 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-10 11:59 ` Takashi Ikebe 2005-02-10 18:17 ` [Bonding-devel] " Jay Vosburgh 2005-02-10 20:25 ` David S. Miller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-10 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: netdev; +Cc: ikebe.takashi, yoshfuji, davem, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel Sorry for typo... In article <20050210.182225.07335127.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> (at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:22:25 +0900 (JST)), YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> says: > So, currently, you need to do this: > > # ip link set bond0 address 00:01:02:03:04:05 > # ifconfig bond0 up <= here fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 is assigned fe80::201:02ff:fe03:0405 is assigned > # ifenslave bond0 eth0 ... -- Hideaki YOSHIFUJI @ USAGI Project <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> GPG FP: 9022 65EB 1ECF 3AD1 0BDF 80D8 4807 F894 E062 0EEA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 9:25 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-10 11:59 ` Takashi Ikebe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Takashi Ikebe @ 2005-02-10 11:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 Cc: netdev, davem, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel I think this cause by network init script. network init script always bring up ifcfg-[A-Za-z0-9\._-], so ifcfg-bond* always bring up before ifcfg-eth*! ("b" is before "e" in alphabet order!) I see, this is not a kernel issue, and this is initscript issue. YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 wrote: > Sorry for typo... > > In article <20050210.182225.07335127.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> (at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:22:25 +0900 (JST)), YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> says: > > >>So, currently, you need to do this: >> >># ip link set bond0 address 00:01:02:03:04:05 >># ifconfig bond0 up <= here fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 is assigned > > fe80::201:02ff:fe03:0405 is assigned > >># ifenslave bond0 eth0 ... > > -- Takashi Ikebe NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories 9-11, Midori-Cho 3-Chome Musashino-Shi, Tokyo 180-8585 Japan Tel : +81 422 59 4246, Fax : +81 422 60 4012 e-mail : ikebe.takashi@lab.ntt.co.jp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bonding-devel] Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 9:22 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-10 9:25 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-10 18:17 ` Jay Vosburgh 2005-02-10 20:27 ` David S. Miller 2005-02-10 20:25 ` David S. Miller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jay Vosburgh @ 2005-02-10 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 Cc: netdev, ikebe.takashi, davem, akpm, ctindel, bonding-devel YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> wrote: >> It create ipv6 address from MAC address, however it seems dev->dev_addr is "0" >> in the case of bonding. > >I don't think it is the case. Given the below sequence, i.e., ifconfig bond0 up before ifenslave, then, yes, the dev_addr is all zeroes when the ifconfig up happens. The bonding master device (bond0) uses the ethernet address of the first slave to be added, so if there are no slaves, the dev_addr is all zeros. ># ifconfig bond0 up <= here fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 is assigned ># ifenslave bond0 eth0 ... > >IPv6 Link-local address is configured just after the >corresponding device is enabled. MAC should be configured >before you bring up the interface. > >So, currently, you need to do this: > ># ip link set bond0 address 00:01:02:03:04:05 ># ifconfig bond0 up <= here fe80::200:ff:fe00:0/64 is assigned ># ifenslave bond0 eth0 ... > >BTW, why is it required to bring up bonding device before its configuratoin? I can't say for sure why it was originally done that way, but a lot of initialization in done in the device open function, and that happens at "ifconfig up" time. For IPv4 it's not a problem (nothing really happens at "ifconfig bond0 up", the device can't really communicate until at least one slave is added, and the MAC address can be gleaned at that time). The general model for bonding is that down means "no slaves," so "ifconfig bond0 down" releases the slaves (and the module can be removed at that point). The model used by the bridge device is probably a better way to go, particularly given that IPv6 link local addresses are created at "ifconfig up" time. In that case, bonding would insist on having at least one slave before ifconfig up can succeed, and a ifconfig down wouldn't necessarily release the slaves (although that part can be more flexible; we could preserve the current "ifconfig down releases all slaves" behavior). Changing this is a significant change to the user interface. Making it backwards compatible with the current scheme while still preventing users from ending up with bogus IPv6 link local addresses seems difficult (I can't think of a way offhand; one method requires that ifenslave happen before ifconfig up, the other requires the opposite). I'll have to give this some thought; it will have to change somehow, since IPv6 doesn't work properly with the current scheme. >Ethernet devices is not allowed to change its MAC during it is up. Some of the bonding modes alter a slave's MAC addresses while up, typically to have a slave masquerade as one of the other slaves (if, e.g., the other slave fails). Not all of the device drivers support this, so it doesn't work with all devices. -J --- -Jay Vosburgh, IBM Linux Technology Center, fubar@us.ibm.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bonding-devel] Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 18:17 ` [Bonding-devel] " Jay Vosburgh @ 2005-02-10 20:27 ` David S. Miller 2005-02-10 21:26 ` Rick Jones 2005-02-11 2:40 ` Jay Vosburgh 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: David S. Miller @ 2005-02-10 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jay Vosburgh Cc: yoshfuji, netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, bonding-devel On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:17:06 -0800 Jay Vosburgh <fubar@us.ibm.com> wrote: > The model used by the bridge device is probably a better way to > go, particularly given that IPv6 link local addresses are created at > "ifconfig up" time. IPv6 should catch an event when MAC addresses change, to reassign to correct link local address. I don't think the bonding driver needs to change at all. IPv6 needs to fix this issue, regardless of bonding. It is perfectly legal to change MAC addresses while a link is still up. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bonding-devel] Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 20:27 ` David S. Miller @ 2005-02-10 21:26 ` Rick Jones 2005-02-11 2:40 ` Jay Vosburgh 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Rick Jones @ 2005-02-10 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David S. Miller Cc: Jay Vosburgh, yoshfuji, netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, bonding-devel >IPv6 should catch an event when MAC addresses change, to reassign > to correct link local address. I don't think the bonding driver > needs to change at all. > > IPv6 needs to fix this issue, regardless of bonding. It is perfectly > legal to change MAC addresses while a link is still up. This may seem a silly question, but what happens to existing TCP connections when the IPv6 link local address changes? rick jones ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bonding-devel] Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 20:27 ` David S. Miller 2005-02-10 21:26 ` Rick Jones @ 2005-02-11 2:40 ` Jay Vosburgh 2005-02-11 3:44 ` David S. Miller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jay Vosburgh @ 2005-02-11 2:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David S. Miller Cc: yoshfuji, netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, bonding-devel David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote: >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:17:06 -0800 >Jay Vosburgh <fubar@us.ibm.com> wrote: > >> The model used by the bridge device is probably a better way to >> go, particularly given that IPv6 link local addresses are created at >> "ifconfig up" time. > >IPv6 should catch an event when MAC addresses change, to reassign >to correct link local address. I don't think the bonding driver >needs to change at all. Except that most of the bonding internal MAC changes won't generate any events (presuming you mean a NETDEV_CHANGEADDR). The bonding driver calls the slave's dev->set_mac_address directly; the NETDEV_CHANGEADDR is generated by dev_ifsioc() (which isn't exported). Now that I'm looking for it, there are some other cases of bonding calling other dev->functions directly, e.g., change_mtu, that have wrappers that generate events; I need to fix that. Would you have a problem with putting the SIOCSIFHWADDR code from dev_ifsioc() into a separate exported function, similarly to how dev_set_mtu() is done? I can probably whip that up along with the appropriate bonding changes this evening. -J --- -Jay Vosburgh, IBM Linux Technology Center, fubar@us.ibm.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bonding-devel] Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-11 2:40 ` Jay Vosburgh @ 2005-02-11 3:44 ` David S. Miller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: David S. Miller @ 2005-02-11 3:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jay Vosburgh Cc: yoshfuji, netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, bonding-devel On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:40:29 -0800 Jay Vosburgh <fubar@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Except that most of the bonding internal MAC changes won't > generate any events (presuming you mean a NETDEV_CHANGEADDR). The > bonding driver calls the slave's dev->set_mac_address directly; the > NETDEV_CHANGEADDR is generated by dev_ifsioc() (which isn't exported). > Now that I'm looking for it, there are some other cases of bonding > calling other dev->functions directly, e.g., change_mtu, that have > wrappers that generate events; I need to fix that. > > Would you have a problem with putting the SIOCSIFHWADDR code > from dev_ifsioc() into a separate exported function, similarly to how > dev_set_mtu() is done? I can probably whip that up along with the > appropriate bonding changes this evening. That would be a great idea, as I read your first paragraph I was going to suggest exactly this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 9:22 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-10 9:25 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-10 18:17 ` [Bonding-devel] " Jay Vosburgh @ 2005-02-10 20:25 ` David S. Miller 2005-02-11 0:29 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David S. Miller @ 2005-02-10 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yoshfuji; +Cc: netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:22:25 +0900 (JST) YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / ^[$B5HF#1QL@^[(B <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> wrote: > Ethernet devices is not allowed to change its MAC during it is up. This is not true. All ethernet drivers try to support this, and just about all do. This is what dev->set_mac_address() driver routine implements. I guess this causes problems for ipv6 local addresses, it will need to catch some callback to handle these events and thus adjust the local address properly. This is the real bug in my opinion, ipv4 handles this situation just fine. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-10 20:25 ` David S. Miller @ 2005-02-11 0:29 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-11 1:06 ` David S. Miller 2005-02-11 1:40 ` Rick Jones 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-11 0:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: davem; +Cc: netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel In article <20050210122523.41276d5a.davem@davemloft.net> (at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:25:23 -0800), "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net> says: > I guess this causes problems for ipv6 local addresses, it > will need to catch some callback to handle these events and > thus adjust the local address properly. Okay, I'll try to solve it: 1) catch NETDEV_CHANGEADDR 2) (try to) add new link-local address and deprecate old one. 3) (when DAD finishes) RS will be sent. --yoshfuji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-11 0:29 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-11 1:06 ` David S. Miller 2005-02-11 1:40 ` Rick Jones 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: David S. Miller @ 2005-02-11 1:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yoshfuji; +Cc: netdev, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:29:16 +0900 (JST) YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / ^[$B5HF#1QL@^[(B <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> wrote: > Okay, I'll try to solve it: > 1) catch NETDEV_CHANGEADDR > 2) (try to) add new link-local address and deprecate old one. > 3) (when DAD finishes) RS will be sent. Sounds perfect. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-11 0:29 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 2005-02-11 1:06 ` David S. Miller @ 2005-02-11 1:40 ` Rick Jones 2005-02-11 2:17 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Rick Jones @ 2005-02-11 1:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: netdev; +Cc: davem, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel >>I guess this causes problems for ipv6 local addresses, it >>will need to catch some callback to handle these events and >>thus adjust the local address properly. > > > Okay, I'll try to solve it: > 1) catch NETDEV_CHANGEADDR > 2) (try to) add new link-local address and deprecate old one. > 3) (when DAD finishes) RS will be sent. At present, for IPv4 if someone changes the MAC address of an interface, existing TCP connections don't really care right? The ARP caches will be updated with a new IPv4 to MAC translation and happiness and joy ensues. So, what would happen to TCP connections over IPv6 using link-local addresses? If the old address is taken away (deprecated), and a new address generated, doesn't that mean that TCP connections (using link-local addresses anyway) will fail on a MAC change? rick jones ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 4189] New: IPv6 link local addresses are not assigned correctly on multiple-bonding enviromrnts 2005-02-11 1:40 ` Rick Jones @ 2005-02-11 2:17 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 @ 2005-02-11 2:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rick.jones2 Cc: netdev, davem, ikebe.takashi, akpm, ctindel, fubar, bonding-devel, yoshfuji In article <420C0D05.6020408@hp.com> (at Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:40:21 -0800), Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> says: > At present, for IPv4 if someone changes the MAC address of an interface, > existing TCP connections don't really care right? The ARP caches will be > updated with a new IPv4 to MAC translation and happiness and joy ensues. > > So, what would happen to TCP connections over IPv6 using link-local addresses? > If the old address is taken away (deprecated), and a new address generated, > doesn't that mean that TCP connections (using link-local addresses anyway) will > fail on a MAC change? One thing: we won't delete it but deprecate it. --yoshfuji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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