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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [22/*] [NETFILTER] Use correct IPsec MTU in TCPMSS
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:46:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <423D9ADA.6050407@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050318104013.57d65e99.davem@davemloft.net>

David S. Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:11:29 +1100
> Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> wrote:
> 
>>BTW Patrick, how is the IPsec netfilter stuff going?
> 
> That boy is seriously backlogged, so I'm not sure how much time
> he's gotten to work on that yet.

Indeed, but in case of the netfilter patches that's not the problem.
They are basically working fine, but I have doubts about submitting
them. First, and most importantly, the input patch is incredible ugly.
To recap, we want to pass the encapsulated packets to the netfilter
hooks, then again the decapsulated packets after all decapsulation has
been done. The current input patch makes packets that have been
handled by IPsec skip the netfilter hooks until we know no further
IPsec processing will be done (route is non-local or protocol handler
is not marked as xfrm_prot). The packet is then marked as completely
decapsulated and passed through the stack again and the plain packets
go through netfilter again. There are a couple of problems with this
approach:

- decapsulated tunnel-mode packets go through the stack twice
- netfilter only sees them once, everything else multiple times
   (statistics, packet sockets, ...)
- racy, xfrm protocol could be registered after we determined
   decapsulation is done.
- inefficient

The second reason is that I'm not sure at all wether this is the way
to go. With KLIPS-like IPsec-devices you can sniff the plain packets
before they are handled by IPsec and you can perform traffic shaping
on them. These two points are completely unhandled, and people seem
to want them.

So what's holding back these patches is getting some consensus on what
exactly we want to do and finding a better method for determining when
decapsulation is done. One possibility would be stealing packets
in xfrm_policy_check(), but I haven't thought much about this yet.

Regards
Patrick

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-20 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-14 22:10 [1/4] [IPSEC] Merge xfrm[46]_bundle/stale_bundle Herbert Xu
2005-02-14 22:12 ` [2/4] [IPSEC] Add xfrm_state_mtu Herbert Xu
2005-02-14 22:14   ` [3/4] [IPSEC] Add route element to xfrm_dst Herbert Xu
2005-02-14 22:16     ` [4/4] [IPSEC] Store MTU at each xfrm_dst Herbert Xu
2005-02-15 15:53       ` James Morris
2005-02-15 20:31         ` Herbert Xu
2005-02-16 10:37       ` [5/*] [IPSEC] Use dst_mtu in xfrm[46]_output Herbert Xu
2005-02-16 11:08         ` [6/*] [IPSEC] Fix xfrm[46]_update_pmtu to update top dst Herbert Xu
2005-02-16 11:38           ` [7/*] [IPSEC] Get metrics for xfrm_dst from " Herbert Xu
2005-03-07  5:47             ` David S. Miller
2005-03-07 10:41               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-07  5:35           ` [6/*] [IPSEC] Fix xfrm[46]_update_pmtu to update " David S. Miller
2005-03-07 10:39             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-07  5:33         ` [5/*] [IPSEC] Use dst_mtu in xfrm[46]_output David S. Miller
2005-03-07 11:45         ` [10/*] [TCP] Get rid of dst_ptmu/ext2_header_len Herbert Xu
2005-03-07 17:33           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-07  5:32       ` [4/4] [IPSEC] Store MTU at each xfrm_dst David S. Miller
2005-03-07 10:35         ` [9/*] [IPSEC] Check dst validity harder in xfrm_bundle_ok Herbert Xu
2005-03-07 17:32           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-08 10:27           ` [11/*] [NET] Move dst_release out of dst->ops->check Herbert Xu
2005-03-08 12:50             ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-11  2:17             ` David S. Miller
2005-03-14 10:26             ` [12/*] [IPSEC] Handle local_df in IPv4 Herbert Xu
2005-03-14 10:53               ` [13/*] [IPV4] Fix room calculation in icmp_send Herbert Xu
2005-03-14 11:10                 ` [14/*] [IPV6] Reload skb->dst after xfrm6_route_forward Herbert Xu
2005-03-15  5:27                   ` David S. Miller
2005-03-15  9:19                   ` [15/*] [INET] Fix IPsec calculation in ip_append_data/ip6_append_data Herbert Xu
2005-03-15  9:58                     ` [16/*] [INET] Take IPsec overhead into account in tunnels Herbert Xu
2005-03-15 10:05                       ` [17/*] [NET] Replace dst_pmtu with dst_mtu Herbert Xu
2005-03-15 18:24                         ` David S. Miller
2005-03-15 19:02                           ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-15 20:40                             ` Replace send_unreach with icmp_send Herbert Xu
2005-03-15 20:48                               ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-16 10:51                                 ` [IPV4] Make ipt_REJECT use icmp_send again Herbert Xu
2005-03-16 19:00                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-16 22:44                                     ` David S. Miller
2005-03-17 10:51                                       ` [IPV4] Send TCP reset through dst_output in ipt_REJECT Herbert Xu
2005-03-17 18:06                                         ` David S. Miller
2005-03-15 20:31                           ` [17/*] [NET] Replace dst_pmtu with dst_mtu Herbert Xu
2005-03-15 10:20                       ` [16/*] [INET] Take IPsec overhead into account in tunnels Lennert Buytenhek
2005-03-15 10:27                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-15 18:20                       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-18  9:03                       ` [21/*] [IPv4] Fix MTU check in ipmr_queue_xmit Herbert Xu
2005-03-18  9:11                         ` [22/*] [NETFILTER] Use correct IPsec MTU in TCPMSS Herbert Xu
2005-03-18  9:19                           ` [23/*] [IPV4] Kill remaining unnecessary uses of dst_pmtu Herbert Xu
2005-03-18 10:07                             ` [24/*] [IPSEC] Get ttl from child instead of path Herbert Xu
2005-03-18 10:11                               ` [25/*] [NET] Kill unnecessary uses of dst_path_metric Herbert Xu
2005-03-18 11:06                                 ` [26/*] [NET] Kill dst_pmtu/dst_path_metric Herbert Xu
2005-03-18 11:28                                   ` [27/*] [NET] Make dst_allfrag use dst instead of dst->path Herbert Xu
2005-03-18 18:47                                     ` David S. Miller
2005-03-18 18:46                                   ` [26/*] [NET] Kill dst_pmtu/dst_path_metric David S. Miller
2005-03-18 18:44                                 ` [25/*] [NET] Kill unnecessary uses of dst_path_metric David S. Miller
2005-03-18 18:43                               ` [24/*] [IPSEC] Get ttl from child instead of path David S. Miller
2005-03-18 18:41                             ` [23/*] [IPV4] Kill remaining unnecessary uses of dst_pmtu David S. Miller
2005-03-18 18:40                           ` [22/*] [NETFILTER] Use correct IPsec MTU in TCPMSS David S. Miller
2005-03-20 15:46                             ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2005-03-20 16:32                               ` Ludo Stellingwerff
2005-03-20 17:17                                 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-03-20 17:49                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-20 18:11                                     ` Ludo Stellingwerff
2005-03-20 18:22                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-20 18:43                                         ` jamal
2005-03-20 19:10                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-30  9:49                                     ` Extending xfrm_selector (Was: [22/*] [NETFILTER] Use correct IPsec MTU in TCPMSS) Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  3:49                               ` [22/*] [NETFILTER] Use correct IPsec MTU in TCPMSS David S. Miller
2005-03-23  4:03                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-24  5:05                                   ` Netfilter+IPsec Patrick McHardy
2005-03-24  5:43                                     ` Netfilter+IPsec David S. Miller
2005-03-25  2:53                                       ` Netfilter+IPsec Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  5:10                                         ` Netfilter+IPsec Patrick McHardy
2005-03-23  9:24                               ` [22/*] [NETFILTER] Use correct IPsec MTU in TCPMSS Herbert Xu
2005-03-18 18:39                         ` [21/*] [IPv4] Fix MTU check in ipmr_queue_xmit David S. Miller
2005-03-15 18:18                     ` [15/*] [INET] Fix IPsec calculation in ip_append_data/ip6_append_data David S. Miller
2005-03-16 11:31                     ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-16 22:02                       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-21 16:14                       ` Mika Penttilä
2005-03-21 20:28                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-21 21:29                           ` Mika Penttilä
2005-03-21 22:04                             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-15  5:26                 ` [13/*] [IPV4] Fix room calculation in icmp_send David S. Miller
2005-03-15  5:25               ` [12/*] [IPSEC] Handle local_df in IPv4 David S. Miller
2005-03-15 18:25                 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-15 18:28                   ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-28 20:10       ` [4/4] [IPSEC] Store MTU at each xfrm_dst Patrick McHardy
2005-03-28 23:30         ` [IPSEC] Move xfrm_flush_bundles into xfrm_state GC Herbert Xu
2005-03-31  0:10           ` Patrick McHardy
2005-04-01  5:21           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-28 23:39         ` Checking SPI in xfrm_state_find Herbert Xu
2005-03-31  0:13           ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-31  0:46             ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-01  5:23               ` David S. Miller
2005-04-02  0:49                 ` [IPSEC]: Kill nested read lock by deleting xfrm_init_tempsel Herbert Xu
2005-04-02  1:20                   ` David S. Miller
2005-04-02  2:09                     ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-03 16:48                       ` Patrick McHardy
2005-04-05 10:39                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-05 20:01                           ` Patrick McHardy
2005-04-06  2:21                             ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-21 23:35                               ` David S. Miller
2005-04-21 23:52                                 ` Herbert Xu
2005-04-21 23:53                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2005-04-22  3:13                                   ` David S. Miller
2005-04-03 17:00               ` Checking SPI in xfrm_state_find Patrick McHardy
2005-02-15  8:10     ` [3/4] [IPSEC] Add route element to xfrm_dst Mika Penttilä
2005-02-15  9:53       ` Herbert Xu
2005-02-15 10:22         ` Mika Penttilä
2005-03-07  5:28     ` David S. Miller
2005-03-07 10:02       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-07 10:16     ` [IPSEC] Kill redundan dst_release check in xfrm_dst_destroy Herbert Xu
2005-03-07 17:35       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-14 11:52     ` [3/4] [IPSEC] Add route element to xfrm_dst Patrick McHardy
2005-03-14 20:32       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-15 19:05         ` Patrick McHardy
2005-03-07  5:23   ` [2/4] [IPSEC] Add xfrm_state_mtu David S. Miller

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