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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: netdev <netdev@oss.sgi.com>
Cc: open-iscsi@googlegroups.com, ksummit-2005-discuss@thunk.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:03:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4249D0CB.2030506@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1112130512.1077.107.camel@jzny.localdomain>

jamal wrote:
> I didnt quiet follow the discussion - Let me see if i can phrase the
> problem correctly (Trying to speak in general terms):
> 
> Sender is holding onto memory (retransmit queue i assume) waiting
> for ACKs. Said sender is under OOM and therefore drops ACKs coming in
> and as a result cant let go of these precious resource sitting on the
> retransmit queue. 
> And iscsi cant wait long enough for someone else to release memory so
> the ACKs can be delivered. 
> Did i capture this correctly?
> 
> If yes, the solution maybe to just drop all non-high-prio packets coming
> in during the denial of service attack (for lack of better term). In
> other words some strict prioritization scheduling (or rate control) at
> the network level either in the NIC or ingress qdisc level.

Eventually the TCP will hit its RTX limit and punt the connection, freeing the 
buffers kept for retransmission right?

> 
> On a slightly related topic: is SCSI (not iscsi) considered a reliable
> protocol?
> If yes, why would you wanna run a reliable protocol inside another
> reliable protocol (TCP)?

Isn't it better to consider TCP a protocol that provides reliable notice of 
(presumed) failure rather than a "reliable protocol?"

rick jones

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-29 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20050324101622S.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
     [not found]   ` <1111628393.1548.307.camel@beastie>
     [not found]     ` <20050324113312W.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
     [not found]       ` <1111633846.1548.318.camel@beastie>
     [not found]         ` <20050324215922.GT14202@opteron.random>
     [not found]           ` <424346FE.20704@cs.wisc.edu>
     [not found]             ` <20050324233921.GZ14202@opteron.random>
     [not found]               ` <20050325034341.GV32638@waste.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20050327035149.GD4053@g5.random>
2005-03-27  5:48                   ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Matt Mackall
2005-03-27  6:04                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27  6:38                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 14:50                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27  6:33                     ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27  7:05                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27  7:57                           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27  8:18                             ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:26                               ` Mike Christie
2005-03-27 18:31                                 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27 19:58                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 21:49                                   ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:47                                 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 21:14                         ` Alex Aizman
     [not found]                         ` <20050327211506.85EDA16022F6@mx1.suse.de>
2005-03-28  0:15                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28  3:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28  4:34                           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-28  4:50                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28  6:58                           ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-28 16:12                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-28 16:22                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28 16:24                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 15:11                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:29                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 17:03                                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-28 16:28                             ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 15:20                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:56                                 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 17:19                                 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-29 21:08                                   ` jamal
2005-03-29 22:00                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 22:17                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-29 23:30                                         ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:00                                       ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:25                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30  0:30                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 15:24                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 22:03                                     ` Rick Jones [this message]
2005-03-29 23:13                                       ` jamal
2005-03-30  2:28                                         ` Alex Aizman
     [not found]                                         ` <E1DGSwp-0004ZE-00@thunker.thunk.org>
2005-03-30 17:16                                           ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30 18:46                                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 15:22                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:33                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:38                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 15:39                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:44                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:50                                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 16:04                                               ` James Bottomley
2005-03-30 17:48                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 16:02                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 16:15                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 16:55                                                 ` jamal
2005-03-30 18:42                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:28                                                 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 11:41                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 12:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 18:59                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:04                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 15:35                                                   ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-31 19:15                                                   ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 19:34                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:39                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 11:45                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 11:50                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 17:09                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-31 22:05                                                     ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 17:24                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30 17:39                                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 20:10                                           ` Mike Christie
2005-03-30 17:07                                     ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30  5:12                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-28 16:37                             ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-28 19:45                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-03-28 20:32                           ` Topic: Remote DMA network technologies Gerrit Huizenga
2005-03-28 20:36                             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                           ` <1112042936.5088.22.camel@beastie>
2005-03-28 22:32                             ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-29  3:19                               ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
2005-03-30 16:00                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-31  1:08                                   ` Linux support for RDMA H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-02 18:08                               ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Dmitry Yusupov
2005-04-02 19:13                                 ` Ming Zhang
2005-04-04  6:31                                 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-04 18:57                                 ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29  3:14                             ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
     [not found] <42472259.2866086e.3169.318fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.googlegroups.com>
2005-03-27 21:18 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Alex Aizman
2005-03-27 21:53 Alex Aizman

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