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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] "strict" ipv4 reassembly
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:13:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <428A425F.7000807@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <428A3F86.1020000@us.ibm.com>


> This is a fast LAN problem - real internet latencies
> don't allow for the wrapping of the id field that fast.

What is a "fast" LAN these days?  We were seeing IP ID wrap with NFS traffic 
back in the time of HP-UX 8.07 (early 1990's) over 10 Mbit/s Ethernet.  Since 
I'm waxing historic, part of the problem at that time was giving the IP 
fragments to the driver one at a time rather than all at once.  When the system 
was as fast or faster than the network, and the driver queue filled, the first 
couple fragments of a datagram would get into the queue, and the rest would be 
dropped, setting the stage for those wonderful Frankengrams.  Part of the fix 
was to require a driver to take an entire IP datagram's worth of fragments or 
none of them.

And there was at least one CKO NIC from that era (the HP-PB FDDI NIC) where the 
first IP datagram fragment was sent last :)

If the WAN connected system is (still?) using a global IP ID rather than 
per-route, it could quite easily be wrapping.  And we have WAN links with 
bandwidths of 10's of Megabits, so it also comes-down to how much other traffic 
is going and the quantity of request parallelism in NFS right?

The larger NFS UDP mount sizes mean more fragments, but intriguingly, they also 
mean slower wrap of the IP ID space :)

rick jones

  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-17 19:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-17 16:18 [RFC/PATCH] "strict" ipv4 reassembly Arthur Kepner
2005-05-17 17:49 ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 18:28   ` Arthur Kepner
2005-05-17 18:48     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 20:21       ` Arthur Kepner
2005-05-17 18:38   ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 18:45     ` Pekka Savola
2005-05-17 18:50     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 18:56       ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 18:57     ` John Heffner
2005-05-17 19:09       ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 19:21         ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 19:26         ` Ben Greear
2005-05-17 20:48         ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-17 19:17       ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 19:56         ` David Stevens
2005-05-17 20:17           ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 20:22             ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 20:27               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 21:02                 ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 21:13                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 21:24                     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 21:25                   ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 22:06                     ` Arthur Kepner
2005-05-17 22:18                       ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 22:40                         ` David Stevens
2005-05-17 23:11                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-17 23:20                             ` Arthur Kepner
2005-05-17 23:25                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-17 23:55                                 ` David Stevens
2005-05-18  0:00                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18  0:04                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-18  0:09                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18  0:52                                     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-18  0:06                                 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-05-18  0:10                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18  0:51                                     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-18  1:05                                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-18  1:13                                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18  1:09                                 ` John Heffner
2005-05-17 23:53                           ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 22:12                     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 22:23                       ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 20:29           ` John Heffner
2005-05-17 19:01     ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-05-17 19:13       ` Rick Jones [this message]
2005-05-17 19:25         ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-05-17 19:31           ` John Heffner
2005-05-17 19:52             ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-05-17 20:05               ` John Heffner
2005-05-17 20:12                 ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 19:33           ` Rick Jones
2005-05-17 19:53             ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 22:11   ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-17 22:13     ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 23:08       ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-17 23:16         ` David S. Miller
2005-05-17 23:28           ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-17 23:36             ` Patrick McHardy
2005-05-17 23:41               ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18  0:47     ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18  1:06       ` Arthur Kepner
2005-05-18  1:16       ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18  1:37         ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18  1:52           ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18 11:30             ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18 11:40               ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18 12:24                 ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18 16:21           ` Rick Jones
2005-05-18 17:40             ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18 17:44               ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18 21:46                 ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-18 22:24                   ` David Stevens
2005-05-18 22:39                     ` Nivedita Singhvi
2005-05-18 23:31                     ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-18 21:45             ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-19 12:23               ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-19 12:48                 ` Herbert Xu
2005-05-19 15:19                   ` Thomas Graf
2005-05-19 17:02                 ` Rick Jones

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