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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Jiri Benc <jbenc@suse.cz>
Cc: Joseph Jezak <josejx@gentoo.org>,
	mbuesch@freenet.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bcm43xx-dev@lists.berlios.de, NetDev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Broadcom 43xx first results
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:08:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4394902C.8060100@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051205195543.5a2e2a8d@griffin.suse.cz>

Jiri Benc wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:38:37 -0500, Joseph Jezak wrote:
> 
>>We're not writing an entire stack.  We're writing a layer that sits in 
>>between the current ieee80211 stack that's already present in the kernel 
>>and drivers that do not have a hardware MAC.  Since ieee80211 is already 
>>in use in the kernel today, this seemed like a natural and useful 
>>extension to the existing code.  I agree that it's somewhat wasteful to 
>>keep rewriting 802.11 stacks and we considered other options, but it 
>>seemed like a more logical choice to work with what was available and 
>>recommended than to use an external stack.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the only long-term solution is to rewrite completely the
> current in-kernel ieee80211 code (I would not call it a "stack") or
> replace it with something another. The current code was written for
> Intel devices and it doesn't support anything else - so every developer

Patently false.

ieee80211 is used by Intel.  Some bits used by HostAP, which also 
duplicates a lot of ieee80211 code.  And bcm43xx.  And another couple 
drivers found in -mm or out-of-tree.


> of a wifi driver tries to implement his own "softmac" now. I cannot see
> how this can move as forward and I think we can agree this is not the
> way to go.

You're agreeing with only yourself, then?


> Rewriting (or, if you like, enhancing) the current 802.11 code seems to
> be wasting of time now, when nearly complete Linux stack was opensourced
> by Devicescape. We can try to merge it, but I'm not convinced it is
> possible, the Devicescape's stack is far more advanced.

This invalid logic is why we have a ton of wireless stacks, all 
duplicating each other.

	Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-05 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1Eiyw4-0003Ab-FW@www1.emo.freenet-rz.de>
2005-12-05 18:00 ` Broadcom 43xx first results Jiri Benc
2005-12-05 18:14   ` Michael Renzmann
2005-12-05 18:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-05 18:49       ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-05 18:54         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-05 19:11           ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-06  7:17       ` Michael Renzmann
     [not found]   ` <20051205190038.04b7b7c1-IhiK2ZEFs2oCVLCxKZUutA@public.gmane.org>
2005-12-05 18:38     ` Joseph Jezak
2005-12-05 18:55       ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-05 19:08         ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-12-05 19:18           ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-05 19:53           ` Dave Jones
2005-12-05 20:09             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 15:10             ` Harald Welte
2005-12-06 19:05               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-07  7:16                 ` Harald Welte
2005-12-06 23:19               ` David S. Miller
2005-12-06 23:45                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-07 13:34                 ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-08 11:32                   ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-08 12:07           ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-08 12:12             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-08 13:03               ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-05 19:10         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-05 19:31           ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-05 19:41             ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-05 20:11               ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-06 15:09                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-06 16:43                   ` Ben Greear
2005-12-06 23:25                     ` David S. Miller
2005-12-06 19:24                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 15:04             ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-08  0:00             ` Michael Wu
2005-12-08  1:05               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-05 20:23     ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-05 20:42       ` Jiri Benc
2005-12-06  9:26         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-06 10:23           ` Luc Saillard
2005-12-06 22:47 Jean Tourrilhes
2005-12-07  7:11 ` Jouni Malinen
2005-12-07 19:16   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2005-12-07 19:47     ` Jouni Malinen
2005-12-07 19:05 ` Jean Tourrilhes

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