From: Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: wireless: recap of current issues (configuration)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:53:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <43CAA853.8020409@errno.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060115152034.GA1722@shaftnet.org>
Stuffed Crust wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:07:01PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>> This can be accomplished by passing a static table to the
>>> register_wiphy_device() call (or perhaps via a struct wiphy_dev
>>> parameter) or through a more explicit, dynamic interface like:
>>>
>>> wiphy_register_supported_frequency(hw, 2412).
>> For completely programmable hardware, the stack should interact with a
>> module like ieee80211_geo, to help ensure the hardware stays within
>> legal limits.
>
> While there is much to debate about where to draw the functionality
> line, completely programmable hardware is the norm these days.
>
> ... and said code would be responsible for driving the scanning state
> machines, and also for more esoteric functions like handling RADAR
> traps, automatic channel switching, etc.
>
> Handling scans is quite interesting -- I've seen hardware which requires
> manual channel changing (including full RF parameter specification),
> host timing for the channel dwell time, and manual probe request
> issuance.. and on the other end of the spectrum, a simple "issue scan"
> command that takes few, if any, parameters.
>
> And unfortunately, many things in between.
>
> This leads me to belive that the internal scan workflow should work
> something like this:
>
> * Userspace app issues scan request (aka "refresh AP list")
>
> * Knowing the hardware frequency capabilities, the 802.11 stack applies
> 802.11d and regdomain rules to the available frequency set, and
> issues multiple internal "scan request" commands to the hardware
> driver. (eg "perform an initial passive sweep across the entire
> 2.4G band", "perform an active scan on frequencies 2412->2437
> looking for ssid "HandTossed", "perform an active scan on
> frequencies 5200-5400 looking for ssid "HandTossed", etc)
>
> (note that ideally, userspace apps/libs would be at least partially
> aware of 802.11d rules, but the kernel must do the RightThing if
> told to "scan all available channels for any access points")
>
> * The hardware driver takes this scan request, and maps it into the
> capabilities of the hardware:
>
> Hardware A: (very thin MAC)
> - Using library code, generates an appropriate probe request frame,
> translates it into a format the hardware expects/needs,
> and schedules it appropriately.
> - Loops through the frequency set specified, and for each:
> - Issues a channel change command
> - Immediately transmits the probe request (for active scans)
> - Dwells for an appropriate time
> - RX'ed beacon/probe response frames come down as regular 802.11
> frames into the stack
> - Moves to the next channel
>
> Hardware B: (thinner MAC)
> - Using library code, generates an appropriate probe request frame,
> and translate it into a format the hardware expects.
> - Program the probe request frame into the hardware as a probe
> template.
> - Loops through the frequency set specified, and for each:
> - Issues a channel change command
> - Wait for a scan complete signal
> - RX'ed beacon/probe response frames come down as regular 802.11
> frames into the stack
> - Moves to the next channel
>
> Hardware C: (thick MAC, ala prism2 or prism54)
> - Issues a hardware "scan request"
> - Waits for the hardware to signal "scan complete"
> - Requests hardware scan results
> - For each scan result, the hardware returns:
> - Translate result into an 802.11 probe response frame and
> pass down the regular RX path.
>
> So as you can see, I think the channel iteration, dwell, etc should
> be performed by the hardware driver itself, as the variation at the
> logical "tell the hardware perform a scan" step is so extreme.
>
> * Meanwhile, the 802.11 stack is receiving the beacons/probe responses
> from the hardware via the regular rx path. It diverts these (and
> other 802.11 management/control) frames, decodes them, and then adds
> them to the stack's internal list of available stations, updating any
> internal states/counters as necessary. (These frames could also be
> echoed to a special netdev interface if desired)
>
> (stuff like detecting an AP going away depends on us noticing a lack
> of beacons arriving, for example. Most hardware does not
> notify us of this event. Likewise, we should expire other
> APs from our list if they go away.. etc. For AP operation we need
> to maintain this STA list, period -- so why not use it across the
> board? But this is another discussion for another time..)
>
> * The 802.11 stack issues a MLME-Scan-Complete notification to
> userspace.
>
> * Interested userspace apps see this event, then query the
> scan results and presents them to the user in some pretty format, or
> alternatively perform automatic roaming based on scan results.
The above is a great synopsis but there is more. For example to support
roaming (and sometimes for ap operation) you want to do background
scanning; this ties in to power save mode if operating as a station.
Further you want to order your channel list to hit the most likely
channels first in case you are scanning for a specific ap--e.g. so you
can stop the foreground scan and start to associate. In terms of beacon
miss processing some parts have a hardware beacon miss interrupt based
on missed consecutive beacons but others require you to detect beacon
miss in software. Other times you need s/w bmiss detection because
you're doing something like build a repeater when the station virtual
device can't depend on the hardware to deliver a bmiss interrupt.
Then of course there's whole issue of interacting with firmware-based
cards that have limited and/or funkiness in their scanning support.
Scanning (and roaming) is really a big can 'o worms.
Sam
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-15 19:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20060113195723.GB16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 21:26 ` wireless: recap of current issues (intro) John W. Linville
[not found] ` <20060113213011.GE16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:19 ` wireless: recap of current issues (configuration) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:32 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 1:17 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-14 9:28 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 13:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-14 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15 15:20 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-15 19:05 ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 17:09 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:51 ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 19:06 ` John W. Linville
2006-01-16 20:16 ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 21:06 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 22:24 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-16 23:02 ` John W. Linville
2006-01-17 18:41 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-17 18:54 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-15 19:53 ` Sam Leffler [this message]
2006-01-16 17:28 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 17:54 ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 19:40 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 20:14 ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 20:58 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:39 ` Dan Williams
2006-01-16 19:07 ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 19:50 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 20:10 ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-15 12:40 ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 15:51 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-15 17:53 ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 20:08 ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-15 20:11 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-17 22:20 ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 19:39 ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 0:06 ` Mike Kershaw
2006-01-16 14:23 ` Jiri Benc
2006-01-16 14:55 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-16 17:33 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:00 ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 20:16 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-14 0:05 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-14 23:41 ` Dan Williams
2006-01-15 16:18 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-15 9:35 ` feyd
[not found] ` <20060113213126.GF16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:20 ` wireless: recap of current issues (compatibility) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:33 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 13:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
[not found] ` <20060113213237.GH16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:24 ` wireless: recap of current issues (other issues) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:35 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-13 23:02 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 22:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15 0:54 ` John W. Linville
2006-01-15 1:51 ` David S. Miller
2006-01-15 11:23 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2006-01-15 15:39 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-17 23:36 ` wireless: recap of current issues (other issues / fake ethernet) Stefan Rompf
2006-01-18 16:32 ` Stuffed Crust
[not found] ` <20060113213311.GI16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:25 ` wireless: recap of current issues (actions) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:36 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 22:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15 0:56 ` John W. Linville
2006-01-16 14:44 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <20060113213200.GG16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:22 ` wireless: recap of current issues (stack) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:34 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-13 23:03 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-14 10:46 ` Simon Kelley
2006-01-14 23:29 ` Dan Williams
2006-01-14 13:51 ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-17 17:38 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-01-14 14:13 ` Ulrich Kunitz
2006-01-15 4:42 ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-15 10:04 ` Ulrich Kunitz
[not found] ` <43C80F9A.8020203@candelatech.com>
2006-01-13 22:49 ` wireless: recap of current issues Ben Greear
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