From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrey Savochkin <saw@swsoft.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
serue@us.ibm.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com, clg@fr.ibm.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
herbert@13thfloor.at, devel@openvz.org, sam@vilain.net,
ebiederm@xmission.com, viro@ftp.linux.org.uk,
Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey@sw.ru>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:54:51 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A1006B.3040700@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44A0FBAC.7020107@fr.ibm.com>
>> My point is that if you make namespace tagging at routing time, and
>> your packets are being routed only once, you lose the ability
>> to have separate routing tables in each namespace.
>
>
> Right. What is the advantage of having separate the routing tables ?
it is impossible to have bridged networking, tun/tap and many other
features without it. I even doubt that it is possible to introduce
private netfilter rules w/o virtualization of routing.
The question is do we want to have fully featured namespaces which allow
to create isolated virtual environments with semantics and behaviour of
standalone linux box or do we want to introduce some hacks with new
rules/restrictions to meet ones goals only?
From my POV, fully virtualized namespaces are the future. It is what
makes virtualization solution usable (w/o apps modifications), provides
all the features and doesn't require much efforts from people to be used.
Thanks,
Kirill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-27 9:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-09 21:02 [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 1/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace structure dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view dlezcano
2006-06-11 10:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18 18:53 ` Al Viro
2006-06-26 9:47 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 13:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 14:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:08 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 18:28 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 18:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:56 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:27 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:49 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 16:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 18:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 19:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 20:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 20:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 21:26 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 21:59 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 9:09 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 15:48 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:19 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 16:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 22:13 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:54 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 23:08 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 16:07 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:48 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 9:11 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 9:34 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 9:38 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 11:21 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 11:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:19 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:52 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 23:12 ` Dave Hansen
2006-06-27 23:42 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-28 3:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 13:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 13:53 ` jamal
2006-06-28 14:19 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 16:17 ` jamal
2006-06-28 16:58 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 17:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:04 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 14:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 1:41 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 21:07 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 22:14 ` strict isolation of net interfaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-30 2:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 2:49 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-03 14:53 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-07-04 3:00 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 12:29 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-07-04 13:13 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 13:19 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 8:56 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-03 13:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 12:23 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 14:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 15:22 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 16:14 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 17:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 18:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 0:15 ` [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view jamal
2006-06-30 3:35 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 7:45 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 13:50 ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:01 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 18:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 21:51 ` jamal
2006-07-01 0:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:49 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-27 11:55 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 9:54 ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2006-06-27 16:09 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 23:07 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 4:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 6:31 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28 14:15 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 15:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:18 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 10:14 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 14:11 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 16:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-06 9:45 ` Routing tables (Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view) Kari Hurtta
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 3/6] [Network namespace] Network devices isolation dlezcano
2006-06-18 18:57 ` Al Viro
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 4/6] [Network namespace] Network inet " dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 5/6] [Network namespace] ipv4 isolation dlezcano
2006-06-10 0:23 ` James Morris
2006-06-10 0:27 ` Rick Jones
2006-06-10 0:47 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 6/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace debugfs dlezcano
2006-06-10 7:16 ` [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction Kari Hurtta
2006-06-16 4:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-16 9:06 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-16 9:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-18 18:47 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 21:21 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-20 21:25 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 22:45 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 23:38 ` Patrick McHardy
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