From: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
To: hadi@cyberus.ca
Cc: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey@sw.ru>,
viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, devel@openvz.org, dev@sw.ru,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
clg@fr.ibm.com, serue@us.ibm.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrey Savochkin <saw@swsoft.com>,
Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:07:48 +1200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A44124.5010602@vilain.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1151502803.5203.101.camel@jzny2>
jamal wrote:
>> note: personally I'm absolutely not against virtualizing
>> the device names so that each guest can have a separate
>> name space for devices, but there should be a way to
>> 'see' _and_ 'identify' the interfaces from outside
>> (i.e. host or spectator context)
>>
>>
>
> Makes sense for the host side to have naming convention tied
> to the guest. Example as a prefix: guest0-eth0. Would it not
> be interesting to have the host also manage these interfaces
> via standard tools like ip or ifconfig etc? i.e if i admin up
> guest0-eth0, then the user in guest0 will see its eth0 going
> up.
That particular convention only works if you have network namespaces and
UTS namespaces tightly bound. We plan to have them separate - so for
that to work, each network namespace could have an arbitrary "prefix"
that determines what the interface name will look like from the outside
when combined. We'd have to be careful about length limits.
And guest0-eth0 doesn't necessarily make sense; it's not really an
ethernet interface, more like a tun or something.
So, an equally good convention might be to use sequential prefixes on
the host, like "tun", "dummy", or a new prefix - then a property of that
is what the name of the interface is perceived to be to those who are in
the corresponding network namespace.
Then the pragmatic question becomes how to correlate what you see from
`ip addr list' to guests.
Sam.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-29 21:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-09 21:02 [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 1/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace structure dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view dlezcano
2006-06-11 10:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18 18:53 ` Al Viro
2006-06-26 9:47 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 13:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 14:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:08 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 18:28 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 18:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:56 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:27 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:49 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 16:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 18:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 19:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 20:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 20:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 21:26 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 21:59 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 9:09 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 15:48 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:19 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 16:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 22:13 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:54 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 23:08 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 16:07 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:48 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 9:11 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 9:34 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 9:38 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 11:21 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 11:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:02 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:19 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:52 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 23:12 ` Dave Hansen
2006-06-27 23:42 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-28 3:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 13:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 13:53 ` jamal
2006-06-28 14:19 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 16:17 ` jamal
2006-06-28 16:58 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 17:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:04 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 14:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 1:41 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 21:07 ` Sam Vilain [this message]
2006-06-29 22:14 ` strict isolation of net interfaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-30 2:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 2:49 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-03 14:53 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-07-04 3:00 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 12:29 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-07-04 13:13 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 13:19 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 8:56 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-03 13:36 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 12:23 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 14:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 15:22 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 17:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 16:14 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 17:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 18:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 0:15 ` [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view jamal
2006-06-30 3:35 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 7:45 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 13:50 ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:01 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 18:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 21:51 ` jamal
2006-07-01 0:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:49 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-27 11:55 ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 9:54 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-27 16:09 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 23:07 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 4:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 6:31 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28 14:15 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 15:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:18 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 10:14 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 14:11 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 16:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-06 9:45 ` Routing tables (Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view) Kari Hurtta
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 3/6] [Network namespace] Network devices isolation dlezcano
2006-06-18 18:57 ` Al Viro
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 4/6] [Network namespace] Network inet " dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 5/6] [Network namespace] ipv4 isolation dlezcano
2006-06-10 0:23 ` James Morris
2006-06-10 0:27 ` Rick Jones
2006-06-10 0:47 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 6/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace debugfs dlezcano
2006-06-10 7:16 ` [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction Kari Hurtta
2006-06-16 4:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-16 9:06 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-16 9:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-18 18:47 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 21:21 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-20 21:25 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 22:45 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 23:38 ` Patrick McHardy
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