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From: Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>, Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>,
	hadi@cyberus.ca, Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <alexey@sw.ru>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, devel@openvz.org, dev@sw.ru,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@swsoft.com>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: strict isolation of net interfaces
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:23:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A517B4.4010500@fr.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060630023947.GA24726@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>

Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Cedric Le Goater (clg@fr.ibm.com):
> 
>>we could work on virtualizing the net interfaces in the host, map them to
>>eth0 or something in the guest and let the guest handle upper network layers ?
>>
>>lo0 would just be exposed relying on skbuff tagging to discriminate traffic
>>between guests.
> 
> 
> This seems to me the preferable way.  We create a full virtual net
> device for each new container, and fully virtualize the device
> namespace.

I have a few questions about all the network isolation stuff:

   * What level of isolation is wanted for the network ? network devices 
? IPv4/IPv6 ? TCP/UDP ?

   * How is handled the incoming packets from the network ? I mean what 
will be mecanism to dispatch the packet to the right virtual device ?

   * How to handle the SO_BINDTODEVICE socket option ?

   * Has the virtual device a different MAC address ? How to manage it 
with the real MAC address on the system ? How to manage ARP, ICMP, 
multicasting and IP ?

It seems for me, IMHO that will require a lot of translation and 
browsing table. It will probably add a very significant overhead.

    * How to handle NFS access mounted outside of the container ?

    * How to handle ICMP_REDIRECT ?

Regards








  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-30 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-09 21:02 [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 1/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace structure dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view dlezcano
2006-06-11 10:18   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18 18:53   ` Al Viro
2006-06-26  9:47   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 13:02     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 14:05       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:08       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 18:28         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 18:59           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 14:56     ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 15:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 15:27       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-26 15:49         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 16:40           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 18:36             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 19:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 20:02                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 20:37                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 21:26                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 21:59                       ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:11                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27  9:09                   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 15:48                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:19                       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 16:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-26 22:13                 ` Ben Greear
2006-06-26 22:54                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-26 23:08                     ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 16:07                       ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:48                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27  9:11           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27  9:34             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27  9:38               ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27 11:21                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-27 11:52                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:02                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:47                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 17:19                         ` Ben Greear
2006-06-27 22:52                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 23:12                             ` Dave Hansen
2006-06-27 23:42                               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-28  3:38                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 13:36                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 13:53                                     ` jamal
2006-06-28 14:19                                       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 16:17                                         ` jamal
2006-06-28 16:58                                           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-28 17:17                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:04                                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 14:39                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30  1:41                                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 21:07                                       ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-29 22:14                                         ` strict isolation of net interfaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-30  2:39                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30  2:49                                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-03 14:53                                               ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-07-04  3:00                                                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 12:29                                                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-07-04 13:13                                                   ` Sam Vilain
2006-07-04 13:19                                                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30  8:56                                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-03 13:36                                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30 12:23                                             ` Daniel Lezcano [this message]
2006-06-30 14:20                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 15:22                                                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-30 17:58                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 16:14                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-30 17:41                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 18:09                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30  0:15                                         ` [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view jamal
2006-06-30  3:35                                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-30  7:45                                           ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 13:50                                             ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:01                                               ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-30 18:22                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-30 21:51                                                 ` jamal
2006-07-01  0:50                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:21                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 14:51                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 16:49                       ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-06-27 11:55                   ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-06-27  9:54               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-27 16:09                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-27 16:29                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-27 23:07                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28  4:07                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28  6:31                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-28 14:15                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 15:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-28 17:18                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 10:14                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-06-28 14:11                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-06-28 16:10                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-06  9:45               ` Routing tables (Re: [patch 2/6] [Network namespace] Network device sharing by view) Kari Hurtta
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 3/6] [Network namespace] Network devices isolation dlezcano
2006-06-18 18:57   ` Al Viro
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 4/6] [Network namespace] Network inet " dlezcano
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 5/6] [Network namespace] ipv4 isolation dlezcano
2006-06-10  0:23   ` James Morris
2006-06-10  0:27     ` Rick Jones
2006-06-10  0:47       ` James Morris
2006-06-09 21:02 ` [RFC] [patch 6/6] [Network namespace] Network namespace debugfs dlezcano
2006-06-10  7:16 ` [RFC] [patch 0/6] [Network namespace] introduction Kari Hurtta
2006-06-16  4:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-16  9:06   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-16  9:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-18 18:47 ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 21:21   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-20 21:25     ` Al Viro
2006-06-20 22:45       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-06-26 23:38 ` Patrick McHardy

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