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From: Oumer Teyeb <oumer@kom.aau.dk>
To: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Weird TCP SACK problem. in Linux...
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:38:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44BD38B1.1080807@kom.aau.dk> (raw)

Hello Guys,

I have some questions regarding TCP SACK implementation in Linux .
As I am not a subscriber, could you please cc the reply to me? thanks!

I am doing these experiments to find out the impact of reordering. So I 
have different TCP versions (newReno, SACK, FACk, DSACK, FRTO,....) as 
implemented in Linux. and I am trying their combination to see how they 
behave. What struck me was that when I dont use timestamps, introducing 
SACK increases the download time but decreases the total number of 
retransmissions.
When timestamps is used, SACK leads to an increase in both the download 
time and the retransmissions.

So I looked further into the results, and what I found was that when 
SACK (when I refer to SACK here, I mean SACK only without FACK and 
DSACK)  is used, the retransmissions seem to happen earlier .
at www.kom.auc.dk/~oumer/first_transmission_times.pdf
you can find the pic of cdf of the time when the first TCP 
retransmission occured for the four combinations of SACK and timestamps 
after hundrends of downloads of a 100K file for the different conditions 
under network reordering...

This explains the reason why the download time increases with SACK, 
because the earlier we go into fast recovery the longer the time we 
spend on congestion avoidance, and the longer the download time... ...I 
am not 100% sure that the retransmissions are only due to reordering as 
I am using tcptrace to get my results, but I am guessing they are not 
because when I used FRTO, there was no improvment, showing that there 
were indeed no timeouts (as FRTO acts only on timeouts).....

...but I couldnt figure out why the retransmissions occur earlier for 
SACK than no SACK TCP. As far as I know, for both SACK and non SACK 
cases, we need three (or more according to the setting) duplicate ACKs 
to enter the fast retransmission /recovery state.... which would have 
resulted in the same behaviour to the first occurance of a 
retransmission..... or is there some undocumented enhancment in Linux 
TCP when using SACK that makes it enter fast retransmit earlier... the 
ony explanation I could imagine is something like this

non SACK case
=============
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10..... were sent and 2 was reorderd....and assume we 
are using delayed ACKs...and we get a triple duplicate ACK after pkt#8 
is received. (i.e 3&4--first duplicate ACK, 5&6..second duplicate ACK 
and 7&8...third duplicate ACK.....)...

so if SACK behaved like this...

3&4 SACKEd.... 2 packets out of order received
5&6 SACKEd....4 packets out of order received.... start fast 
retransmission....as reorderd is greater than 3.... (this is true when 
it comes to marking packets as lost during fast recovery, but is it true 
als for the first retransmission?)

.. any ideas why this is happening???

One more thing, say I have FRTO, DSACK and timestamps enabled, which 
algorithm takes precedence ? if FRTO is enabled, then all spurious 
timeout detection are done through FRTO or a combination?..

Thanks in advance,
Oumer

             reply	other threads:[~2006-07-18 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-18 19:38 Oumer Teyeb [this message]
2006-07-19  9:38 ` Weird TCP SACK problem. in Linux Xiaoliang (David) Wei
2006-07-19 10:00   ` Oumer Teyeb
2006-07-19 13:27 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-07-19 15:02   ` Oumer Teyeb
2006-07-19 15:49     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-07-19 16:32       ` Oumer Teyeb
2006-07-19 17:32         ` Oumer Teyeb
2006-07-20 15:41           ` Oumer Teyeb
2006-07-20 23:23         ` Alexey Kuznetsov

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