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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
Cc: Andy Gay <andy@andynet.net>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	tgraf@suug.ch, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ProxyARP and IPSec
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:16:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44EFCB0F.5080506@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060824125046.GA25439@ms2.inr.ac.ru>

Alexey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hello!
> 
>> I'm thinking that David definitely has a point about having a usability 
>> problem, though.  All other kind of tunnels have endpoint devices 
>> associated with them, and that would make all these kinds of problems go 
>> away, 
> 
> Yes, when you deal with sane practical setups, this approach is the only
> reasonable one.
> 
> Unfortunately, IPsec is not something totally sane and practical :-),
> "security gateway" case is small part of it and "routing" viewpoint
> clashes fatally with another requirements. Pure result is that we use approach
> where it is possible to do everything with some efforts, rather than approach
> which is simple and intuitive, but does not allow to do many things.
> 

Fair enough.  However, that does beg a question: is there any sane way 
to create the pseudo-device model on top of the current model, as a 
convenience layer?  That way you could get the best of both.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-26  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-23  0:31 ProxyARP and IPSec H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-23 19:14 ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-23 22:14   ` David Miller
2006-08-23 23:18     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-24  1:12       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-24  1:14         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-24  2:20           ` Andy Gay
2006-08-24  4:14             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-24 12:50               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-26  4:16                 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-09-02 15:36                   ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-09-02 17:30                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-02 20:54                       ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-09-05  5:17                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-04 22:27                       ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-05  5:12                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-05  9:05                           ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-22 20:36                             ` David Miller
2006-09-23  4:22                               ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-09-06  2:25                         ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-08-24 10:50     ` Thomas Graf
2006-09-07 22:28       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-08  7:37         ` Thomas Graf

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