From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
Cc: Andy Gay <andy@andynet.net>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
tgraf@suug.ch, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ProxyARP and IPSec
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:16:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44EFCB0F.5080506@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060824125046.GA25439@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
Alexey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hello!
>
>> I'm thinking that David definitely has a point about having a usability
>> problem, though. All other kind of tunnels have endpoint devices
>> associated with them, and that would make all these kinds of problems go
>> away,
>
> Yes, when you deal with sane practical setups, this approach is the only
> reasonable one.
>
> Unfortunately, IPsec is not something totally sane and practical :-),
> "security gateway" case is small part of it and "routing" viewpoint
> clashes fatally with another requirements. Pure result is that we use approach
> where it is possible to do everything with some efforts, rather than approach
> which is simple and intuitive, but does not allow to do many things.
>
Fair enough. However, that does beg a question: is there any sane way
to create the pseudo-device model on top of the current model, as a
convenience layer? That way you could get the best of both.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-26 4:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-23 0:31 ProxyARP and IPSec H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-23 19:14 ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-23 22:14 ` David Miller
2006-08-23 23:18 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-24 1:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-24 1:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-24 2:20 ` Andy Gay
2006-08-24 4:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-24 12:50 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-26 4:16 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-09-02 15:36 ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-09-02 17:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-02 20:54 ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-09-05 5:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-04 22:27 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-05 5:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-05 9:05 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-22 20:36 ` David Miller
2006-09-23 4:22 ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-09-06 2:25 ` Stephen J. Bevan
2006-08-24 10:50 ` Thomas Graf
2006-09-07 22:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-08 7:37 ` Thomas Graf
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