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From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	alexey@sw.ru, sam@vilain.net
Subject: Re: [RFC] network namespaces
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:52:50 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44FEE0C2.6020205@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m17j0i1853.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

>>On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 08:45:39AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>>>Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com> writes:
>>>
>>>For HPC if you are interested in migration you need a separate IP
>>>per container. If you can take you IP address with you migration of
>>>networking state is simple. If you can't take your IP address with you
>>>a network container is nearly pointless from a migration perspective.
>>>
>>>Beyond that from everything I have seen layer 2 is just much cleaner
>>>than any layer 3 approach short of Serge's bind filtering.
>>
>>well, the 'ip subset' approach Linux-VServer and
>>other Jail solutions use is very clean, it just does
>>not match your expectations of a virtual interface
>>(as there is none) and it does not cope well with
>>all kinds of per context 'requirements', which IMHO
>>do not really exist on the application layer (only
>>on the whole system layer)
> 
> 
> I probably expressed that wrong.  There are currently three
> basic approaches under discussion.
> Layer 3 (Basically bind filtering) nothing at the packet level.
>    The approach taken by Serge's version of bsdjails and Vserver.
> 
> Layer 2.5 What Daniel proposed.
> 
> Layer 2.  (Trivially mapping each packet to a different interface)
>            And then treating everything as multiple instances of the
>            network stack.
>         Roughly what OpenVZ and I have implemented.
I think classifying network virtualization by Layer X is not good enough.
OpenVZ has Layer 3 (venet) and Layer 2 (veth) implementations, but
in both cases networking stack inside VE remains fully virtualized.

Thanks,
Kirill


  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-06 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-15 14:20 [RFC] network namespaces Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 1/9] network namespaces: core and device list Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-16 14:46   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-16 16:45     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 2/9] network namespaces: IPv4 routing Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 3/9] network namespaces: playing and debugging Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-16 16:46   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-16 17:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-17  6:28       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-17  8:30     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 4/9] network namespaces: socket hashes Andrey Savochkin
2006-09-18 15:12   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-20 16:32     ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-09-21 12:34       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 5/9] network namespaces: async socket operations Andrey Savochkin
2006-09-22 15:33   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-23 13:16     ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 6/9] allow proc_dir_entries to have destructor Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 7/9] net_device seq_file Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 8/9] network namespaces: device to pass packets between namespaces Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 9/9] network namespaces: playing with pass-through device Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-16 11:53 ` [RFC] network namespaces Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-16 15:12   ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-16 17:35     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-17  8:29       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 13:34   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-05 14:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-05 15:32       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-05 16:53       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-05 18:27         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-06 14:52           ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2006-09-06 15:09             ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-06  9:10         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-06 16:56           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-06 17:37             ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-06 18:34               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-06 18:58                 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-06 20:53                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-06 23:06                 ` Caitlin Bestler
2006-09-06 23:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-07  0:53                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-07  5:11                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-07  8:25                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-07 18:29                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-08  6:02                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-07 16:23                 ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-07 17:27                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-07 19:50                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-08 13:10                     ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-08 18:11                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-09  7:57                         ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-10  2:47                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-10  3:41                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-10  8:11                               ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-10 11:48                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-10 19:19                               ` [Devel] " Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-10  7:45                             ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-10 19:22                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-12  3:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-11 14:40                           ` [Devel] " Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-11 14:57                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-11 15:04                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-11 15:10                               ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-12  3:28                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-12  7:38                                   ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-06 21:44               ` [Devel] " Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-06 17:58             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-05 15:47     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 17:09     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-06 20:25       ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-06 20:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-10-04  9:40 ` Daniel Lezcano

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