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From: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
To: Kir Kolyshkin <kir@openvz.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
	alexey@sw.ru, Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, sam@vilain.net
Subject: Re: [RFC] network namespaces
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:53:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44FF3534.1060102@fr.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44FF1A47.1030900@openvz.org>

Kir Kolyshkin wrote:

<snip>

> I am not sure about "network isolation" (used by Linux-VServer), but as 
> it comes for level2 vs. level3 virtualization, I see a need for both. 
> Here is the easy-to-understand comparison which can shed some light: 
> http://wiki.openvz.org/Differences_between_venet_and_veth

thanks kir,

> Here are a couple of examples
> * Do we want to let container's owner (i.e. root) to add/remove IP 
> addresses? Most probably not, but in some cases we want that.
> * Do we want to be able to run DHCP server and/or DHCP client inside a 
> container? Sometimes...but not always.
> * Do we want to let container's owner to create/manage his own set of 
> iptables? In half of the cases we do.
> 
> The problem here is single solution will not cover all those scenarios.

some would argue that there is one single solution : Xen or similar.

IMO, I think containers should try to leverage their difference,
performance, and not try to simulate a real hardware environment.

Restricting the network environment of a container should be considered
acceptable if this is for the sake of performance. The network interface(s)
could be pre-configured and provided to the container. Protocol(s) could be
forbidden.

Now, if you need more network power in a container, you will need a real or
a virtualized interface.

But let's consider both alternatives.

thanks,

C.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-06 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-15 14:20 [RFC] network namespaces Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 1/9] network namespaces: core and device list Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-16 14:46   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-16 16:45     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 2/9] network namespaces: IPv4 routing Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 3/9] network namespaces: playing and debugging Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-16 16:46   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-16 17:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-17  6:28       ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-17  8:30     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 4/9] network namespaces: socket hashes Andrey Savochkin
2006-09-18 15:12   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-20 16:32     ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-09-21 12:34       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 5/9] network namespaces: async socket operations Andrey Savochkin
2006-09-22 15:33   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-23 13:16     ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 6/9] allow proc_dir_entries to have destructor Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 7/9] net_device seq_file Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 8/9] network namespaces: device to pass packets between namespaces Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-15 14:48 ` [PATCH 9/9] network namespaces: playing with pass-through device Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-16 11:53 ` [RFC] network namespaces Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-16 15:12   ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-16 17:35     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-17  8:29       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 13:34   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-05 14:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-05 15:32       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-05 16:53       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-05 18:27         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-06 14:52           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-06 15:09             ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-06  9:10         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-06 16:56           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-06 17:37             ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-06 18:34               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-06 18:58                 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-06 20:53                   ` Cedric Le Goater [this message]
2006-09-06 23:06                 ` Caitlin Bestler
2006-09-06 23:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-07  0:53                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-07  5:11                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-07  8:25                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-07 18:29                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-08  6:02                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-07 16:23                 ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-07 17:27                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-07 19:50                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-08 13:10                     ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-08 18:11                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-09  7:57                         ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-10  2:47                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-10  3:41                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-10  8:11                               ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-10 11:48                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-10 19:19                               ` [Devel] " Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-10  7:45                             ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-10 19:22                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-12  3:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-11 14:40                           ` [Devel] " Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-11 14:57                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-09-11 15:04                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-11 15:10                               ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-12  3:28                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-12  7:38                                   ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-09-06 21:44               ` [Devel] " Daniel Lezcano
2006-09-06 17:58             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-05 15:47     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 17:09     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-09-06 20:25       ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-06 20:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-10-04  9:40 ` Daniel Lezcano

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