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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>,
	Johann Borck <johann.borck@densedata.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Subject: Re: [take25 1/6] kevent: Description.
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:00:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4565FDED.2050003@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061123115504.GB20294@2ka.mipt.ru>

Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> uidx is an index, starting from which there are unread entries. It is
> updated by userspace when it commits entries, so it is 'consumer'
> pointer, while kidx is an index where kernel will put new entries, i.e.
> 'producer' index. We definitely need them both.
> Userspace can only update (implicitly by calling kevent_commit()) uidx.

Right, which is why exporting this entry is not needed.  Keep the 
interface as small as possible.

Userlevel has to maintain its own index.  Just assume kevent_wait 
returns 10 new entries and you have multiple threads.  In this case all 
threads take their turns and pick an entry from the ring buffer.  This 
basically has to be done with something like this (I ignore wrap-arounds 
here to simplify the example):

   int getidx() {
     while (uidx < kidx)
        if (atomic_cmpxchg(uidx, uidx + 1, uidx) == 0)
          return uidx;
     return -1;
   }

Very much simplified but it should show that we need a writable copy of 
the uidx.  And this value at any time must be consistent with the index 
the kernel assumes.

The current ring_uidx value can at best be used to reinitialize the 
userlevel uidx value after each kevent_wait call but this is unnecessary 
at best (since uidx must already have this value) and racy in problem 
cases (what if more than one thread gets woken concurrently with uidx 
having the same value and one thread stores the uidx value and 
immediately increments it to get an index; the second store would 
overwrite the increment).

I can assure you that any implementation I write would not use the 
ring_uidx value.  Only trivial, single-threaded examples like you 
ring_buffer.c could ever take advantage of this value.  It's not worth it.

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-23 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1154985aa0591036@2ka.mipt.ru>
2006-10-27 16:10 ` [take21 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10   ` [take21 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10     ` [take21 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10       ` [take21 3/4] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10         ` [take21 4/4] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 10:04       ` [take21 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 10:08         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 10:28     ` [take21 1/4] kevent: Core files Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 10:53       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 12:36         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:03           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 13:23             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:28               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 13:34                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:47                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:42   ` [take21 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 11:26   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 11:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 11:58       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 11:51     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:17       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 12:29         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:32       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 19:34         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-07 20:52           ` David Miller
2006-11-07 21:38             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 11:36 ` [take22 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36   ` [take22 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36     ` [take22 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36       ` [take22 3/4] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36         ` [take22 4/4] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 13:06   ` [take22 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Pavel Machek
2006-11-01 13:25     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 16:05       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-01 16:24         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 18:13           ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-01 18:57             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-02  2:12               ` Nate Diller
2006-11-02  6:21                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-02 19:40                   ` Nate Diller
2006-11-03  8:42                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-03  8:57                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-03  9:04                         ` David Miller
2006-11-07 12:05                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-03  9:13                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-05 11:19                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-05 11:43                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <aaf959cb0611011829k36deda6ahe61bcb9bf8e612e1@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <aaf959cb0611011830j1ca3e469tc4a6af3a2a010fa@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <4549A261.9010007@cosmosbay.com>
2006-11-03  2:42                       ` zhou drangon
2006-11-03  9:16                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:02                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-03 18:49               ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-04 10:24                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-04 17:47                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 16:07     ` James Morris
2006-11-07 16:50 ` [take23 0/5] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50   ` [take23 1/5] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50     ` [take23 2/5] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50       ` [take23 3/5] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50         ` [take23 4/5] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50           ` [take23 5/5] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:53         ` [take23 3/5] kevent: poll/select() notifications Davide Libenzi
2006-11-08  8:45           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-08 17:03             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:16       ` [take23 2/5] kevent: Core files Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:24         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:16     ` [take23 1/5] kevent: Description Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:23       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:17   ` [take23 0/5] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:21     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-08 14:51       ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-08 22:03         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-08 22:44           ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-08 23:07             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-08 23:56               ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09  7:24                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09  7:52                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09 17:12                     ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09  8:23 ` [take24 0/6] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23   ` [take24 1/6] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23     ` [take24 2/6] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23       ` [take24 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23         ` [take24 4/6] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23           ` [take24 5/6] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23             ` [take24 6/6] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  9:08         ` [take24 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09  9:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09 18:51         ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09 19:10           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09 19:42             ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09 20:10               ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-11 17:36   ` [take24 7/6] kevent: signal notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-11 22:28   ` [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-13 10:54     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-13 11:16       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  0:02       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-20  8:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  8:43           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-20  8:51             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  9:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-20  9:19                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20 20:29           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-20 21:46             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-20 21:52               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-21  9:09                 ` Ingo Oeser
2006-11-22 11:38                 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-11-22 11:47                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-21  9:53             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:58               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-21 17:43                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 18:46                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 20:01                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-22 10:41                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 20:19                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-22 10:39                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22  7:38                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 10:44                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 21:02                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:23                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23  8:52                         ` Kevent POSIX timers support Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:26                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  9:50                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 18:20                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-27 18:24                                 ` David Miller
2006-11-27 18:36                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-27 18:49                                     ` David Miller
2006-11-28  9:16                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-28 19:13                                         ` David Miller
2006-11-28 19:22                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-12-12  1:36                                             ` David Miller
2006-12-12  5:31                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-28  9:16                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22  7:33                   ` [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 10:38                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 22:22                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:18                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 22:23                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 10:57                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:12                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 11:00                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:09                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:15                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 13:46                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 22:24                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:22                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:34                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 10:58                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 18:23                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 10:13                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-12-27 20:45                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-28  9:50                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29 ` [take25 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29   ` [take25 1/6] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29     ` [take25 2/6] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29       ` [take25 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29         ` [take25 4/6] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29           ` [take25 5/6] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29             ` [take25 6/6] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 11:20               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-22 11:30                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 23:46     ` [take25 1/6] kevent: Description Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 11:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 19:45         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:01           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:06             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 16:14               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:31                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:20                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 23:52     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 11:55       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:00         ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2006-11-23 21:49           ` Hans Henrik Happe
2006-11-23 22:34             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:50               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:17                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:46           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:30             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 16:49               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:23                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 22:33     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 22:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-23 23:45         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  0:48           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-24  8:14             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-24  8:33               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-24 15:26                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  0:14         ` Hans Henrik Happe
2006-11-24 12:05       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 12:13         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:43         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 10:26           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14 ` [take26 0/8] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14   ` [take26 1/8] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14     ` [take26 2/8] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14       ` [take26 3/8] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14         ` [take26 4/8] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14           ` [take26 5/8] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14             ` [take26 6/8] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14               ` [take26 7/8] kevent: Signal notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14                 ` [take26 8/8] kevent: Kevent posix timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov

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