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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>,
	Johann Borck <johann.borck@densedata.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [take25 1/6] kevent: Description.
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:48:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45662522.9090101@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <456621AC.7000009@redhat.com>

Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
>> + int kevent_commit(int ctl_fd, unsigned int start, +     unsigned int 
>> num, unsigned int over);
> 
> I think we can simplify this interface:
> 
>    int kevent_commit(int ctl_fd, unsigned int new_tail,
>                      unsigned int over);
> 
> The kernel sets the ring_uidx value to the 'new_tail' value if the tail 
> pointer would be incremented (module wrap around) and is not higher then 
> the current front pointer.  The test will be a bit complicated but not 
> more so than what the current code has to do to check for mistakes.
> 
> This approach has the advantage that the commit calls don't have to be 
> synchronized.  If one thread sets the tail pointer to, say, 10 and 
> another to 12, then it does not matter whether the first thread is 
> delayed.  If it will eventually be executed the result is simply a no-op 
> and since second thread's action supersedes it.
> 
> Maybe the current form is even impossible to use with explicit locking 
> at userlevel.  What if one thread, which is about to call kevent_commit, 
> if indefinitely delayed.  Then this commit request's value is never 
> taken into account and the tail pointer is always short of what it 
> should be.

I'm really wondering is designing for N-threads-to-1-ring is the wisest 
choice?

Considering current designs, it seems more likely that a single thread 
polls for socket activity, then dispatches work.  How often do you 
really see in userland multiple threads polling the same set of fds, 
then fighting to decide who will handle raised events?

More likely, you will see "prefork" (start N threads, each with its own 
ring) or a worker pool (single thread receives events, then dispatches 
to multiple threads for execution) or even one-thread-per-fd (single 
thread receives events, then starts new thread for handling).

If you have multiple threads accessing the same ring -- a poor design 
choice -- I would think the burden should be on the application, to 
provide proper synchronization.

If the desire is to have the kernel distributes events directly to 
multiple threads, then the app should dup(2) the fd to be watched, and 
create a ring buffer for each separate thread.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-23 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1154985aa0591036@2ka.mipt.ru>
2006-10-27 16:10 ` [take21 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10   ` [take21 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10     ` [take21 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10       ` [take21 3/4] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10         ` [take21 4/4] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 10:04       ` [take21 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 10:08         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 10:28     ` [take21 1/4] kevent: Core files Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 10:53       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 12:36         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:03           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 13:23             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:28               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 13:34                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:47                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:42   ` [take21 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 11:26   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 11:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 11:58       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 11:51     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:17       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 12:29         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:32       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 19:34         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-07 20:52           ` David Miller
2006-11-07 21:38             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 11:36 ` [take22 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36   ` [take22 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36     ` [take22 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36       ` [take22 3/4] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36         ` [take22 4/4] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 13:06   ` [take22 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Pavel Machek
2006-11-01 13:25     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 16:05       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-01 16:24         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 18:13           ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-01 18:57             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-02  2:12               ` Nate Diller
2006-11-02  6:21                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-02 19:40                   ` Nate Diller
2006-11-03  8:42                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-03  8:57                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-03  9:04                         ` David Miller
2006-11-07 12:05                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-03  9:13                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-05 11:19                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-05 11:43                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <aaf959cb0611011829k36deda6ahe61bcb9bf8e612e1@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <aaf959cb0611011830j1ca3e469tc4a6af3a2a010fa@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <4549A261.9010007@cosmosbay.com>
2006-11-03  2:42                       ` zhou drangon
2006-11-03  9:16                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:02                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-03 18:49               ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-04 10:24                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-04 17:47                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 16:07     ` James Morris
2006-11-07 16:50 ` [take23 0/5] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50   ` [take23 1/5] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50     ` [take23 2/5] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50       ` [take23 3/5] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50         ` [take23 4/5] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50           ` [take23 5/5] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:53         ` [take23 3/5] kevent: poll/select() notifications Davide Libenzi
2006-11-08  8:45           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-08 17:03             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:16       ` [take23 2/5] kevent: Core files Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:24         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:16     ` [take23 1/5] kevent: Description Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:23       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:17   ` [take23 0/5] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:21     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-08 14:51       ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-08 22:03         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-08 22:44           ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-08 23:07             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-08 23:56               ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09  7:24                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09  7:52                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09 17:12                     ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09  8:23 ` [take24 0/6] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23   ` [take24 1/6] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23     ` [take24 2/6] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23       ` [take24 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23         ` [take24 4/6] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23           ` [take24 5/6] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23             ` [take24 6/6] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  9:08         ` [take24 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09  9:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09 18:51         ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09 19:10           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09 19:42             ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09 20:10               ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-11 17:36   ` [take24 7/6] kevent: signal notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-11 22:28   ` [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-13 10:54     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-13 11:16       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  0:02       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-20  8:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  8:43           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-20  8:51             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  9:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-20  9:19                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20 20:29           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-20 21:46             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-20 21:52               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-21  9:09                 ` Ingo Oeser
2006-11-22 11:38                 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-11-22 11:47                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-21  9:53             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:58               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-21 17:43                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 18:46                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 20:01                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-22 10:41                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 20:19                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-22 10:39                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22  7:38                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 10:44                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 21:02                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:23                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23  8:52                         ` Kevent POSIX timers support Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:26                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  9:50                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 18:20                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-27 18:24                                 ` David Miller
2006-11-27 18:36                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-27 18:49                                     ` David Miller
2006-11-28  9:16                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-28 19:13                                         ` David Miller
2006-11-28 19:22                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-12-12  1:36                                             ` David Miller
2006-12-12  5:31                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-28  9:16                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22  7:33                   ` [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 10:38                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 22:22                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:18                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 22:23                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 10:57                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:12                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 11:00                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:09                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:15                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 13:46                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 22:24                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:22                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:34                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 10:58                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 18:23                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 10:13                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-12-27 20:45                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-28  9:50                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29 ` [take25 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29   ` [take25 1/6] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29     ` [take25 2/6] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29       ` [take25 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29         ` [take25 4/6] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29           ` [take25 5/6] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29             ` [take25 6/6] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 11:20               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-22 11:30                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 23:46     ` [take25 1/6] kevent: Description Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 11:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 19:45         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:01           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:06             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 16:14               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:31                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:20                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 23:52     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 11:55       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:00         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 21:49           ` Hans Henrik Happe
2006-11-23 22:34             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:50               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:17                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:46           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:30             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 16:49               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:23                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 22:33     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 22:48       ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-11-23 23:45         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  0:48           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-24  8:14             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-24  8:33               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-24 15:26                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  0:14         ` Hans Henrik Happe
2006-11-24 12:05       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 12:13         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:43         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 10:26           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14 ` [take26 0/8] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14   ` [take26 1/8] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14     ` [take26 2/8] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14       ` [take26 3/8] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14         ` [take26 4/8] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14           ` [take26 5/8] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14             ` [take26 6/8] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14               ` [take26 7/8] kevent: Signal notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14                 ` [take26 8/8] kevent: Kevent posix timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov

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