From: John Heffner <jheffner@psc.edu>
To: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Baruch Even <baruch@ev-en.org>, SANGTAE HA <sangtae.ha@gmail.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
shemminger@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [patch 3/3] tcp: remove experimental variants from default list
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:54:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45D21785.5060105@psc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070213174216.GS25760@galon.ev-en.org>
This isn't really a reply to anyone in particular, but I wanted to touch
on a few points.
>> Reno. As Windows decided to go with "Compound TCP", why we want to
>> back to 80's algorithm?
It's worth noting that Microsoft is not using Compound TCP by default,
except in Beta versions so they can get more experience with it. It is
available to turn on in production versions, but Reno is still default.
Take this how you will, but that's the current state of affairs.
> I fail to see how Microsoft should be the reason for anything, if
> anything Linux started the arms race.
I'd like to put to bed this notion of an arms race. A number of people
have accused Linux and Windows of competing with each other to be more
aggressive, which is just not the case. The use of non-standard
congestion control algorithms is due to a real need to fill underused
large pipes. In fact, if Linux or Windows stomped on top of other TCPs
in production, it would lead to a bad reputation for the one doing the
stomping, and is something everyone is eager to avoid. It would be
easier to design an extremely aggressive control algorithm. The hard
work is in achieving the desired properties of fairness, stability,
etc., in addition to high utilization.
Some care has been taken (okay, with varying success) in designing each
of the default candidate algorithms to avoid harming standard Reno-style
flows under "normal" conditions. If an algorithms meets this
requirement, then there's almost no reason at this point not to use it.
The main issue for the future is dealing with the interaction between
various (possibly unknown) congestion control algorithms. From an
academic point of view, it's very difficult to say anything about how
they might interact. At least it's more difficult than modeling how
flows using a single algorithm interact with each other. This is
something of a concern, but we must weigh this against the pressing
demand for something better than reno. Further, there's all sorts of
traffic out there on the Internet with varying responsiveness, as there
is no enforcement of any particular model of congestion control. This
must be taken into account, regardless of what Linux chooses as its
default at any point in time.
-John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-13 19:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-12 16:03 [patch 0/3] TCP trivial patches Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 16:03 ` [patch 1/3] tcp: cleanup of htcp Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 21:14 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 21:28 ` [patch 1/3] tcp: cleanup of htcp (resend) Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 21:34 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 16:03 ` [patch 2/3] tcp: use read mostly for CUBIC parameters Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 21:15 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 16:03 ` [patch 3/3] tcp: remove experimental variants from default list Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 19:11 ` Baruch Even
2007-02-12 20:13 ` Ian McDonald
2007-02-12 20:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 20:34 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 20:32 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 20:37 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-12 20:47 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 21:05 ` Ian McDonald
2007-02-12 20:20 ` David Miller
2007-02-12 22:12 ` Baruch Even
2007-02-12 22:53 ` David Miller
2007-02-13 9:56 ` Baruch Even
2007-02-13 16:49 ` SANGTAE HA
2007-02-13 17:42 ` Baruch Even
2007-02-13 19:54 ` John Heffner [this message]
2007-02-13 20:06 ` David Miller
2007-02-13 20:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-13 17:41 ` Injong Rhee
2007-02-13 18:23 ` Baruch Even
2007-02-13 19:56 ` David Miller
2007-02-13 20:06 ` Baruch Even
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