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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dim@openvz.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, johannes@sipsolutions.net,
	jgarzik@pobox.com, containers@lists.osdl.org,
	kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, shemminger@linux-foundation.org,
	greearb@candelatech.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: Add etun driver
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:11:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <461A9DF1.8080904@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1mz1h1guo.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> The core mechanism for network configuration does not support creating
> virtual devices in a extensible reusable way.
> 
> In particular the tunnel types supported by iproute2 are hard coded
> into the user space tool and into the kernel interface.  The interface
> seems to be not the least bit extensible for creating new types of 
> non hardware backed network devices.


Yes, it sucks.

> So I don't see a readily usable mechanism for network configuration in
> netlink.


Thats why I suggested that we should create one, ideally before adding
more sysfs/proc/ioctl/... based interfaces, which we'll have a hard time
getting rid of again.

I could take care of this if you don't mind waiting until 2.6.23.

> The fact that netlink it uses unreliable packets and an
> asynchronous interface just adds to the difficulty in making use of
> it.


Its reliable on the userspace->kernel path as long as you don't use
MSG_DONTWAIT.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-09 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-06 20:43 [PATCH] net: Add etun driver Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 20:34 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-04-06 21:38   ` Ben Greear
2007-04-06 20:54     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-04-06 22:01       ` Ben Greear
2007-04-07  2:51   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-09 16:37     ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-09 16:58       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-09 18:14         ` Ben Greear
2007-04-09 18:37           ` David Miller
2007-04-09 18:48             ` Ben Greear
2007-04-09 18:45           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-09 18:44         ` David Miller
2007-04-09 19:35           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-09 19:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-09 20:03             ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-09 20:11             ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2007-04-09 20:29               ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10  0:06                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-10  5:47                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10  6:08                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10  6:18                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10  7:52                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-10  9:18                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10  9:52                         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-10 10:27                           ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10 10:46                             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-10 11:02                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10 11:09                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-10 11:16                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 11:24                                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10 12:05                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-10 13:44                                       ` John W. Linville
2007-04-10 13:48                                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-10 21:16                   ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-11 16:15                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-11 16:43                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-11 16:52                         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-04-11 16:59                           ` Johannes Berg
2007-04-11 16:16                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-04-06 20:57 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-07  2:08   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 21:20 ` Ben Greear
2007-04-07  2:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-07  3:31     ` Ben Greear
2007-04-07  5:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-07  7:31         ` Ben Greear

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