From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Patrick McHardy Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: Add etun driver Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:09:20 +0200 Message-ID: <461B7060.8000407@trash.net> References: <1176136628.8459.34.camel@johannes.berg> <461A70A5.8060607@trash.net> <20070409.114402.45491411.davem@davemloft.net> <461A9DF1.8080904@trash.net> <1176150557.8459.47.camel@johannes.berg> <461AD517.2000906@trash.net> <1176184028.8459.58.camel@johannes.berg> <461B4242.1040602@trash.net> <1176196734.8459.74.camel@johannes.berg> <461B5E42.2030900@trash.net> <1176200879.8459.77.camel@johannes.berg> <461B6B22.3090009@trash.net> <1176202930.8459.81.camel@johannes.berg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" , David Miller , akpm@linux-foundation.org, dim@openvz.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, containers@lists.osdl.org, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, shemminger@linux-foundation.org, greearb@candelatech.com To: Johannes Berg Return-path: Received: from stinky.trash.net ([213.144.137.162]:57668 "EHLO stinky.trash.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753707AbXDJLJx (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:09:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1176202930.8459.81.camel@johannes.berg> Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: netdev.vger.kernel.org Johannes Berg wrote: > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 12:46 +0200, Patrick McHardy wrote: > > >>The main advantage that we don't get more weird sysfs/proc/ioctl based >>interfaces > > > Please don't put me into a corner I don't want to be in ;) The new > wireless stuff was completely designed using netlink. The sysfs > interface to these two specific things was a concession since it used to > exist before and we don't really have a fully functional userspace tool > yet. I know :) It was a few month ago when I noticed the new bonding sysfs interface when I first thought that we really need this. >> and use the same interface that is used for all other network >>configuration, which f.e. will allow to add support for all software >>devices to iproute without much effort, so you don't need 30 different >>tools for configuring the different software device types anymore. >>Additionally we get atomic setup/dumps and extensibility. > > > I don't think wireless can get away without a new tool. So much stuff > there. Look at > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-dev.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/nl80211.h;hb=HEAD Maybe not wireless, but bonding, briding, vlan, etun, possibly more.