From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CFCF7F for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 03:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30967C433C8; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 03:19:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1692674388; bh=2r3suyvcvQkyDG+OrfD6flChPa5pj7JbcjYn/2h6/mE=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=t12waQRPevfJ3cmcPUVa36tvPvveRAnrbdKul0v82lSPOxSx/KYzf5mIZrvsWVd8f cvpnC3QFLaAUeHRl0nDgBd5ittRHpDVLOzIGdDv+BfuvqshnMI1L/T4L0FhnWXVrrf 4XR/Bu0+hTaUBzdFF7HXPFLai7GBgL4Iyf8tHFMe6IJ3C2OPTEpx7zoqg0TjO3Zs8C LtLNDRB8FxsQv216gdPusDRPmzTnNadw208HUYtnAg6Z8/MKqbv+3cLU4ea7haPEoy D9yvyaPpS7j95PMEIbYBLvw1P2eXuzxk9dGydlruMiTaPYG2nO42ihQlBRsRZ0gbEp GZoXMIbjR6paw== Message-ID: <462ccad0-867e-3ef3-ca78-59d8a6e451b3@kernel.org> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 20:19:47 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] netdev: implement netlink api to bind dma-buf to netdevice To: Willem de Bruijn Cc: Jakub Kicinski , Mina Almasry , Praveen Kaligineedi , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni , Jesper Dangaard Brouer , Ilias Apalodimas , Magnus Karlsson , sdf@google.com, Willem de Bruijn , Kaiyuan Zhang References: <20230810015751.3297321-1-almasrymina@google.com> <20230810015751.3297321-3-almasrymina@google.com> <7dd4f5b0-0edf-391b-c8b4-3fa82046ab7c@kernel.org> <20230815171638.4c057dcd@kernel.org> <64dcf5834c4c8_23f1f8294fa@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch> <20230817190957.571ab350@kernel.org> <7cac1a2d-6184-7cd6-116c-e2d80c502db5@kernel.org> <20230818190653.78ca6e5a@kernel.org> <38a06656-b6bf-e6b7-48a1-c489d2d76db8@kernel.org> Content-Language: en-US From: David Ahern In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/19/23 8:18 AM, Willem de Bruijn wrote: > That may be an incentive for vendors to support per-queue > start/stop/alloc/free. Maybe the ones that support RDMA already do? I looked at most of the H/W RDMA in-tree kernel drivers today, and all of them hand-off create_qp to firmware. I am really surprised by that given that many of those drivers work with netdev. I am fairly certain mlx5 and ConnectX 5-6, for example, can be used to achieve the architecture we proposed at netdev [1], so I was expecting a general queue management interface. Between that and a skim of the providers (userspace side of it), the IB interface may be a dead-end from the perspective of the goals here. [1] https://netdevconf.info/0x16/slides/34/netdev-0x16-Merging-the-Networking-Worlds-slides.pdf, slide 14.