From: Vlad Yasevich <vladislav.yasevich@hp.com>
To: Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald@jandi.co.nz>
Cc: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>,
Krishna Kumar2 <krkumar2@in.ibm.com>,
Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] New driver API to speed up small packets xmits
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:21:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <464370BA.3020907@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5640c7e00705101159w68750a47xc06495e4395de583@mail.gmail.com>
Ian McDonald wrote:
> On 5/11/07, Vlad Yasevich <vladislav.yasevich@hp.com> wrote:
>> >> May be for TCP? What about other protocols?
>> >
>> > There are other protocols?-) True, UDP, and I suppose certain modes of
>> > SCTP might be sending streams of small packets, as might TCP with
>> > TCP_NODELAY set.
>> >
>> > Do they often queue-up outside the driver?
>>
>> Not sure if DCCP might fall into this category as well...
>>
> Yes DCCP definitely can queue outside the driver.
>
>> I think the idea of this patch is gather some number of these small
>> packets and
>> shove them at the driver in one go instead of each small packet at a
>> time.
>>
>> I might be helpful, but reserve judgment till I see more numbers.
>>
>> -vlad
>
> As I see this proposed patch it is about reducing the number of "task
> switches" between the driver and the protocol. I use task switch in
> speech marks as it isn't really as is in the kernel. So in other words
> we are hoping that spending more time in each area would keep the
> cache hot and work to be done if locks held. This of course requires
> that the complexity added doesn't outweigh the gains - otherwise you
> could end up in a worse scenario where the driver doesn't send packets
> because the protocol is busy linking them.
>
> As far as I can tell you're not combining packets?? This would
> definitely break UDP/DCCP which are datagram based.
If it's combining packets, it would break a lot of other things as well.
The proposed usage seems to be to link packets together into a chain
and give the whole chain to the driver, instead of handing down one packet
at a time.
The win might be biggest on a system were a lot of applications send a lot of
small packets. Some number will aggregate in the prio queue and then get shoved
into a driver in one go.
But... this is all conjecture until we see the code.
-vlad
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-10 19:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-10 14:53 [RFC] New driver API to speed up small packets xmits Krishna Kumar
2007-05-10 15:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-10 15:22 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-10 15:48 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-10 16:08 ` jamal
2007-05-10 17:19 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 18:07 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2007-05-10 19:43 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-10 20:11 ` jamal
2007-05-10 20:14 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 20:15 ` jamal
2007-05-10 20:15 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-10 20:21 ` jamal
2007-05-10 20:25 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-11 5:22 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 11:27 ` jamal
2007-05-10 20:37 ` David Miller
2007-05-10 20:40 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-10 20:57 ` David Miller
2007-05-11 6:07 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 5:21 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 5:20 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 5:35 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-11 5:43 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 5:57 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-11 6:06 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 6:29 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-11 6:52 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-10 18:13 ` Vlad Yasevich
2007-05-10 18:20 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 18:32 ` Vlad Yasevich
2007-05-10 18:40 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 18:59 ` Ian McDonald
2007-05-10 19:21 ` Vlad Yasevich [this message]
2007-05-10 19:26 ` Ian McDonald
2007-05-10 20:32 ` David Miller
2007-05-10 20:49 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 21:02 ` David Miller
2007-05-10 21:14 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-11 2:28 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-05-11 5:01 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-11 5:04 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 9:01 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-11 9:18 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 9:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-11 9:52 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 9:56 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-11 11:30 ` jamal
2007-05-11 11:53 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-05-11 12:15 ` jamal
2007-05-10 21:27 ` David Stevens
2007-05-10 21:40 ` David Miller
2007-05-10 21:50 ` Gagan Arneja
2007-05-10 22:06 ` David Miller
2007-05-11 9:46 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-10 21:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-05-10 22:09 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 21:45 ` Rick Jones
2007-05-10 21:53 ` David Stevens
2007-05-10 20:21 ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-11 7:30 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 11:21 ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-11 9:05 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-11 8:32 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 9:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-11 8:50 ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-05-11 11:16 ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-13 6:00 ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-15 16:25 ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-15 20:18 ` David Miller
2007-05-15 20:52 ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-15 21:48 ` Michael Chan
2007-05-15 21:08 ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-15 22:05 ` Michael Chan
2007-05-15 21:28 ` David Miller
2007-05-18 7:04 ` Michael Chan
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-11 7:14 Krishna Kumar2
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2007-05-15 21:17 ` Roland Dreier
[not found] ` <OFF5654BB8.74EC8DCB-ON872572DC.00752079-882572DC.00756B23@us.ibm.com>
2007-05-15 21:25 ` Roland Dreier
[not found] ` <OF21D475A2.5E5C88DE-ON872572DC.00763DE4-882572DC.00768A7E@us.ibm.com>
2007-05-15 21:38 ` David Miller
2007-05-15 21:32 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <OF6757F56D.EE5984FD-ON872572DC.0081026C-882572DC.00814B8F@us.ibm.com>
2007-05-15 23:36 ` David Miller
2007-05-21 7:56 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <OF9ABCD08D.2CD1B193-ON872572E3.007A6FC1-882572E3.007ACE1A@us.ibm.com>
2007-05-22 22:36 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <OFCF3EB7F8.9740C0C7-ON872572E3.007DADF6-882572E3.007E0E7B@us.ibm.com>
2007-05-22 23:04 ` David Miller
2007-05-22 23:12 ` Herbert Xu
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