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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Oliver Hartkopp <oliver@hartkopp.net>
Cc: Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Oliver Hartkopp <oliver.hartkopp@volkswagen.de>,
	Urs Thuermann <urs.thuermann@volkswagen.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:54:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46603340.2050309@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <465F2F20.6090700@hartkopp.net>

Oliver Hartkopp wrote:
> Patrick McHardy wrote:
> 
>>Urs Thuermann wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>+	/* tx socket reference pointer: Loopback required if not NULL */
>>>+	loop = *(struct sock **)skb->cb != NULL;
>>>    
>>
>>
>>Qdiscs might change skb->cb. Maybe use skb->sk?
>>
>>  
> 
> due to current projects Urs and me had only a short time today to
> discuss the use of other skbuff-elements to implement the needed
> loopback functionality. Urs remembered that the value of skb->sk was not
> 'stable' in the whole loopback and therefore the use of skb->cb was a
> reasonable approach - and it was indeed working. Btw. triggered by your
> remark, we're looking for alternatives.


Yes, its working, but only in certain combinations and you're breaking
the rules for skb->cb, making it impossible for other layers to use.
skb->sk is "stable" at the output path, the regular loopback device
orphans the skb in hard_start_xmit. So you can at least use it there.

> Another thing is, that i would like to know, if Qdiscs would ever touch
> skb's containing CAN-frames?!?
> The MTU is 16 bytes (sizeof(struct can_frame)) and each skb contains
> exact one CAN-frame.
> What would a packet scheduler do with these skb's? IMO there is nothing
> that could be optimized and linked together like in IPv4 / IPv6 data.


Qdiscs don't care about the content. If a user attaches one to your
device, it will get used.

> Would therefore skb->cb left unchanged in my skb's? Or is there any flag
> that can be set in the skb to keep the packet scheduler's hands off?


No, and I don't think we want a flag to signal that something is
violating the rules for skb->cb, there are other users of this
besides qdiscs.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-01 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-30 13:11 [patch 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, update Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 1/7] CAN: Allocate protocol numbers for PF_CAN Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 2/7] CAN: Add PF_CAN core module Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 3/7] CAN: Add raw protocol Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 4/7] CAN: Add broadcast manager (bcm) protocol Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 17:13   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-05-30 18:39     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-05-30 19:16       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-05-30 19:48         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-05-30 19:58           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-05-31  5:13             ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-05-31 20:25     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-01 14:54       ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2007-06-02  9:51         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-02 19:58           ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-03 19:16             ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-04 11:53               ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-04 12:44                 ` Urs Thuermann
2007-06-06 11:39                   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-04 12:17               ` Urs Thuermann
2007-06-04 16:32                 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-04 18:26                   ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-02  8:09     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-06-03 18:27       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-05-30 17:28   ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-05-30 18:57     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-05-30 19:01       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-05-30 19:25         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 6/7] CAN: Add maintainer entries Urs Thuermann
2007-05-30 13:11 ` [patch 7/7] CAN: Add documentation Urs Thuermann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-16 15:02 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: New PF_CAN protocol family for 2.6.25, update Urs Thuermann
2007-11-16 15:02 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-11-14 12:13 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: New PF_CAN protocol family for 2.6.25 Urs Thuermann
2007-11-14 12:13 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-11-14 12:51   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-11-14 13:36     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-11-14 13:45       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-10-05 10:49 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #10 Urs Thuermann
2007-10-05 10:49 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-10-02 13:10 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #9 Urs Thuermann
2007-10-02 13:10 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-10-02 14:20   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-10-02 15:07     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-10-02 16:46       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-10-02 21:02     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-10-02 21:43       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-10-02 21:50         ` David Miller
2007-10-03  7:06           ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-10-02 21:52       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-10-02 22:04         ` David Miller
2007-10-03 17:47           ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-10-04 11:52     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-09-25 12:20 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #8 Urs Thuermann
2007-09-25 12:20 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-09-25 13:26   ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2007-09-25 14:00     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-09-25 14:47       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-09-25 17:55         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-09-25 17:53           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-09-25 19:09             ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-09-20 18:43 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #7 Urs Thuermann
2007-09-20 18:43 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-09-27 15:54   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-27 16:16     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-27 19:18       ` David Miller
2007-09-28  8:48     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-09-28 16:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-28 18:33         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-09-17 10:03 [PATCH 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #6 Urs Thuermann
2007-09-17 10:03 ` [PATCH 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-09-18 15:02   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-09-18 22:24     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-09-19  6:26       ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-09-19  8:41       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-08-04  2:06 [patch 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #5 Urs Thuermann
2007-08-04  2:07 ` [patch 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-06-22  3:44 [patch 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family, try #3 Urs Thuermann
2007-06-22  3:44 ` [patch 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann
2007-06-22 11:02   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-22 12:22     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-06-22 12:38       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-23 12:05         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-23 12:52           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-23 15:13             ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-23 16:25               ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-23 16:42                 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-23 17:13                   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-07-04 11:37                     ` Urs Thuermann
2007-07-04 14:01                       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-07-09 11:37                         ` Urs Thuermann
2007-07-09 14:18                           ` Patrick McHardy
2007-07-09 15:27                             ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-07-11 19:41                               ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-07-11 22:52                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-07-16  6:05                                   ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-07-16  8:37                                     ` David Miller
2007-07-16 13:08                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-07-16 16:27                                       ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-07-16 13:07                               ` Patrick McHardy
2007-07-16 16:00                                 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-23 21:01               ` David Miller
2007-06-23 21:44                 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-06-23 20:51           ` David Miller
2007-06-23 21:49             ` Oliver Hartkopp
2007-05-16 14:51 [patch 0/7] CAN: Add new PF_CAN protocol family Urs Thuermann
2007-05-16 14:51 ` [patch 5/7] CAN: Add virtual CAN netdevice driver Urs Thuermann

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