From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff Garzik Subject: Re: Splitting e1000 (Was: Re: e1000: backport ich9 support from 7.5.5 ?) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4691279C.8030603@garzik.org> References: <46857C08.4030303@intel.com> <20070629150350.414553d4.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <4685838D.9080108@garzik.org> <46859F3F.305@garzik.org> <4685C09B.7040908@intel.com> <20070630082520.GA20140@infradead.org> <468AD23A.4090904@intel.com> <468D8B32.9020305@garzik.org> <468EDAF9.3020606@intel.com> <20070707190431.GA26341@electric-eye.fr.zoreil.com> <46900B83.1060902@intel.com> <20070707183244.19d21893@freepuppy.rosehill.hemminger.net> <469110F6.2030902@linux.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark McLoughlin , "Kok, Auke" , e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" , Christoph Hellwig , "Ronciak, John" , Andrew Grover , Francois Romieu , Andrew Morton , Stephen Hemminger , Jason Lunz , Andy Gospodarek To: Arjan van de Ven Return-path: In-Reply-To: <469110F6.2030902@linux.intel.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: e1000-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: e1000-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net List-Id: netdev.vger.kernel.org Arjan van de Ven wrote: > I'd second this; also lets be honest and fair about things and use a > similar standard for all drivers; are we going to ask all driver > submitters to remove NAPI, TSO and other stuff? I would hope not. Are That was merely a suggestion. My general meaning was "small driver is easier to get into the kernel and into the field." > all new drivers that have even a single bitfield going to be rejected? > That's be a new rule but ok, if it applies to all drivers it's fair. That's one of a gazillion checklist items that a new driver has to pass through. You know how it works for new drivers. "it looks better than our last try" and "it looks better than that ugly driver over there" does not grant you a free pass on review. I'm not asking for perfection, just something other than * e1000 gets feedback * Intel disappears for months * Intel reappears with e1000 rewrite * Intel fights tooth and nail when the driver is not accepted verboten And specifically I worry that three years down the road we will reach the same point again, when e1000new is even more complex. Will Intel shrug its shoulders and decide its time for another rewrite? > So the question in my opinion should be "is this driver good enough for > merging, and if not, what specifically is wrong enough to hold of > merging" not "what would the perfect ideal > we-have-all-the-time-in-the-world driver be" and certainly not "how is > this going to work in an enterprise distro" since the later is the > problem for the enterprise disro that they get paid to solve, not for > kernel.org kernels. > > What is there now is a driver that works, is relatively clean (and yes > if you look deep enough you can ALWAYS nitpick on any code, even Linus' > or Jeff's best code) and provides good performance with all the features > a modern ethernet driver is supposed to have. Is this is the attitude, what's the point of even posting the driver for review? Intel posted e1000new on June 29. Feedback was then posted. Ten days later, without a single revision, Intel declares its own driver clean and working and good enough for merging as-is. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/