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From: "Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>,
	Francois Romieu <romieu@fr.zoreil.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Grover <andy.grover@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>
Subject: Re: Splitting e1000 (Was: Re: e1000: backport ich9 support from 7.5.5 ?)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:46:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46929EBB.3000809@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <469280F5.8000909@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Ignoring small potatoes, the merge stoppers in my mind are:
> 
> 1) Transition plan.  I strongly oppose switching all e1000 users en 
> masse to a new driver, especially so soon.  Flag day transitions to 
> unproven drivers suck.  Defaults don't work:  users use the old driver 
> until the default changes, which means the new driver gets little field 
> testing.
> 
> Regardless of my opinion of old-e1000 maintainability, top priority is 
> to keep users running on a stable driver until new driver is stable.  I 
> would propose merging a new driver with only the PCI IDs not already in 
> the kernel, get that stable, then consider moving the rest of the 
> PCI-Express PCI IDs (or others?).

I would strongly vote for taking a stripped down e1000new then, mask out all the 
pci id's except ich9, remove all code for pre-pci-e silicon and remove the most 
annoying and needlessly complexing code like the semi-implemented multiqueue 
code that is in there.

How we are going to improve the internal api then can subsequently be done 
upstream in steps: implement using phylib, reorganize the code. This would give 
the community a view on the progress.

I fear that if I spend yet another 2 months offline working on making a minimal 
ich9 driver I will lose even more time and patience: Even though the current 
driver (with pre-pci-e stripped) might not be as nice as you want, at least we 
can work together on it. I would rather go with something I know that works, 
isn't too bad, and we have time and start reviewing upstream immediately.

> 2) Internal API.  An "it can do anything" API is a hint that the driver 
> should be structured differently.  Perhaps a divorce between pre-PCIe 
> and PCIe will help things (or 8257x vs other?).  I tend to think that 
> both e1000 and e1000new could be cleaned up substantially by such a 
> split.  Also, specifically for PHYs, we already have a phy layer that 
> can be used a focal point for PHY modularity.

Agreed. All current e1000 pci-e hardware is based on the same mac, so it's the 
logical split. The differences are PHYs and manageability, but the interface is 
rather similar throughout, as well as features.

> Overall, within minor chip revs you'll probably create standard 
> branches.  But within major chip revs, you really should be looking at 
> separate code paths rather than trying to shoehorn a wide variety of 
> chips down the same (highly modular!) hot path.  That slows down 
> everybody to the same speed (least common denominator), and makes it 
> more difficult to follow the code path for a single chip.

looking at this with respect to e1000e (a pci-e only e1000 driver) - this would 
make perfect sense: most of the irq and rx/tx paths are identical across the 
board. So this confirms IMO that we should not split beyond this.


Auke

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-09 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-29 17:29 e1000: backport ich9 support from 7.5.5 ? Mark McLoughlin
2007-06-29 17:50 ` Jason Lunz
2007-06-29 19:51   ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-29 20:22     ` Jason Lunz
2007-06-29 20:59     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-30 21:24     ` Mark McLoughlin
2007-07-02 23:52       ` Williams, Mitch A
2007-07-03  0:10         ` Rick Jones
2007-07-03  0:55           ` Jason Lunz
2007-07-03  1:44             ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-03  7:15         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-03 13:13           ` [E1000-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 20:55   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 21:39     ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-29 22:03       ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-29 22:11         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 23:24           ` RFR: New e1000 driver (e1000new), was: " Kok, Auke
2007-06-29 23:38             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-08 18:20               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-08 20:14                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-08 22:01                   ` [E1000-devel] " Jonathan Lundell
2007-06-30  3:32             ` Roland Dreier
2007-07-08 18:20               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-06 19:07             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-07  0:13               ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-07 12:23                 ` James Chapman
2007-07-08 18:41                   ` James Chapman
2007-07-07 18:59               ` Andrew Grover
2007-06-29 23:57           ` Andrew Grover
2007-06-30  0:02             ` Andrew Grover
2007-06-30  0:09             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-30  1:29               ` Jim McCullough
2007-06-30  1:31                 ` Jim McCullough
2007-06-30  2:34                 ` [E1000-devel] " Kok, Auke
2007-06-30  2:31               ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-30  8:25                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-03 22:48                   ` Splitting e1000 (Was: Re: e1000: backport ich9 support from 7.5.5 ?) Kok, Auke
2007-07-05 18:32                     ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-06  0:22                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-07  0:14                       ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-07 13:58                         ` James Chapman
2007-07-07 19:04                         ` Francois Romieu
2007-07-07 21:54                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-08  1:32                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-07-08 10:07                               ` James Chapman
2007-07-08 16:29                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-08 18:06                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-08 19:24                                   ` Andrew Grover
2007-07-09 17:56                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-08 20:05                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-09 18:39                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-09 18:46                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-07-09 19:36                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-09 20:46                                       ` Kok, Auke [this message]
2007-07-09 22:26                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-13 21:45                                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-13 22:08                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-13 22:13                                               ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-08 18:08                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-08 17:41                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-30 14:31                 ` e1000: backport ich9 support from 7.5.5 ? James Chapman
2007-06-30 16:29                   ` Kok, Auke
2007-07-01 10:45                     ` James Chapman
2007-06-30  8:26             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-29 22:16         ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-29 22:07       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 21:39   ` Andy Gospodarek

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