From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
To: Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
ak@suse.de, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, davem@davemloft.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, wensong@linux-vs.org, horms@verge.net.au,
wjiang@resilience.com, cfriesen@nortel.com, zlynx@acm.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] make atomic_t volatile on all architectures
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:31:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BA524F.2070803@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a8748490708081618p43cdcdfdn5de6f292247def5b@mail.gmail.com>
Jesper Juhl wrote:
> On 09/08/2007, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com> wrote:
>> From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
>>
>> Some architectures currently do not declare the contents of an atomic_t to be
>> volatile. This causes confusion since atomic_read() might not actually read
>> anything if an optimizing compiler re-uses a value stored in a register, which
>> can break code that loops until something external changes the value of an
>> atomic_t. Avoiding such bugs requires using barrier(), which causes re-loads
>> of all registers used in the loop, thus hurting performance instead of helping
>> it, particularly on architectures where it's unnecessary. Since we generally
>> want to re-read the contents of an atomic variable on every access anyway,
>> let's standardize the behavior across all architectures and avoid the
>> performance and correctness problems of requiring the use of barrier() in
>> loops that expect atomic_t variables to change externally. This is relevant
>> even on non-smp architectures, since drivers may use atomic operations in
>> interrupt handlers.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
>>
>
> Hmm, I thought we were trying to move away from volatile since it is
> very weakly defined and towards explicit barriers and locks...
> Points to --> Documentation/volatile-considered-harmful.txt
This is a special case. Usually, the use of volatile is just lazy. In
this case, it's probably necessary on at least some architectures, so we
can't remove it everywhere unless we want to rewrite atomic.h completely
in inline assembler for several architectures, and painstakingly verify
all that work. I would hope it's obvious that having consistent
behavior on all architectures, or even at all compiler optimization
levels within an architecture, can be agreed to be good. Additionally,
atomic_t variables are a rare exception, in that we pretty much always
want to work with the latest value in RAM on every access. Making this
atomic will allow us to remove a bunch of barriers which do nothing but
slow things down on most architectures.
I agree that the use of atomic_t in .c files is generally bad, but in
certain special cases, hiding it inside defined data types may be worth
the slight impurity, just as we sometimes tolerate lines longer than 80
columns when "fixing" it makes things unreadable.
-- Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-08 23:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-08 23:07 [PATCH] make atomic_t volatile on all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-08 23:18 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-08-08 23:31 ` Chris Snook [this message]
2007-08-08 23:51 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-08-08 23:25 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2007-08-08 23:35 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 1:03 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-09 1:48 ` David Miller
2007-08-09 3:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09 7:47 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 8:30 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-09 11:44 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 4:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-09 4:59 ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-09 7:31 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 8:14 ` Heiko Carstens
2007-08-09 17:36 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-09 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-09 18:20 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-12 5:53 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 6:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12 9:48 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-12 9:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12 16:30 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12 19:13 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 10:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12 9:47 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-12 10:35 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 17:57 ` Martin Schwidefsky
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[not found] ` <8Q7Fa-7rJ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <8Q8rD-hh-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-08-09 9:10 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-08-09 9:18 ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-09 15:00 ` Linus Torvalds
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