From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@mindspring.com>
Cc: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
Simon Arlott <simon@fire.lp0.eu>,
sam@ravnborg.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Gabriel C <crazy@pimpmylinux.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net/, drivers/net/ , missing EXPERIMENTAL in menus
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:06:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D858A9.4080506@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708311318220.18158@localhost.localdomain>
Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:05:57 +0100 Simon Arlott wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/07/07 17:19, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>>>>> I think that Stefan means a patch to the kconfig source code,
>>>>> not the the Kconfig files. Good luck. I'd still like to see it.
>>>> yes, i understand what he wanted now. as a first step (that
>>>> theoretically shouldn't change any behaviour), i'd patch the Kconfig
>>>> structure to add a new attribute ("maturity") which would be allowed
>>>> to be set to *exactly one* of a pre-defined set of values (say,
>>>> OBSOLETE, DEPRECATED, EXPERIMENTAL, and STILLBLEEDING). and that's
>>>> it, nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> don't try to do anything with any of that just yet, just add the
>>>> infrastructure to support the (optional) association of a maturity
>>>> level with a config option. that's step one.
>>> What about something like this? I'm not sure if the addition to sym_init
>>> is desirable... I also had to prefix _ to the name for now otherwise it
>>> conflicts badly with the current symbols. It probably should stop
>>> "depends on _BROKEN" etc. too.
>
> i'm sure i'm going to get shouted down here, but i really disagree
> with "BROKEN" being considered a "maturity level". IMHO, things like
> EXPERIMENTAL, DEPRECATED and OBSOLETE represent maturity levels, for
> what i think are obvious reasons.
>
> something like BROKEN, though, has *nothing* to do with maturity. a
> feature can be any of those maturity levels, and simultaneously be
> BROKEN. i consider BROKEN to be what i call a "status", and different
> status levels might be the default of normal, or KIND_OF_FLAKY or
> TOTALLY_BORKED -- that's where BROKEN would fit in.
BROKEN is definitely a maturity level. A more accurate description
would be BITROTTING perhaps. The code in question has passed through
bleeding -> experimental -> stable, and come out the other side.
In contrast, OBSOLETE and DEPRECATED reflect high-level status not code
quality/maturity.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-31 18:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-18 20:18 [PATCH] net/, drivers/net/ , missing EXPERIMENTAL in menus Gabriel C
2007-07-18 20:23 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-18 20:40 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-18 20:44 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-18 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18 20:51 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-18 21:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-18 21:18 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-19 5:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-19 7:33 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-19 8:42 ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-19 9:25 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-19 13:53 ` Stefan Richter
2007-07-19 15:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-19 16:19 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-19 22:05 ` Simon Arlott
2007-07-19 22:28 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-31 17:25 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-31 17:23 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-31 18:06 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-08-31 19:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-08-31 20:16 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-31 21:00 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-31 21:25 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-31 20:49 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-08-31 22:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-31 22:10 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-09-01 10:44 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-09-01 12:49 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-09-01 12:56 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-18 21:28 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-07-18 20:52 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-07-18 20:48 ` Gabriel C
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