From: "David H. Lynch Jr." <dhlii@dlasys.net>
To: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:22:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46DEAD8D.9020008@dlasys.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709021754250.6772@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es>
Igor Sobrado wrote:
>>
>> There is definite value in sharing the ath5k HAL between OpenBSD and
>> Linux.
>
> Of course. Sharing knowledge and efforts can only improve both the GPL
> and BSD licensed code. It is important in all cases, but becomes
> critical when support from manufacturers is limited or even non existent.
Cooperation between OpenBSD developers and Linux developers, wwould be
wonderful, but this appears to just be the latest of a number of
disputes that have devolved into legalism and acrimony.
The time wasted fighting over this seems significantly larger than the
effort need to solve it.
The respective BSD and GPL licensed code is open documentation for the
programming of the typically closed device.
What is wrong with chosing to rewrite the drivers in contention ?
If the level of bile is sufficiently high it might make sense to do so
using "clean room" techniques, where one developer uses the source
licensed driver as the basis for writing documentation
and another developer uses the documentation as the basis for writing a
new driver. The original author could/should still be credited.
It might even make sense to use projects like this as a means of
recruiting new driver developers and building their skills - drafting
prospective kernel developers from kernel-newbies, or asking for
volunteers on the appropriate lists.
Not having looked at the code for either the Linux or BSD atheros
driver, but having some limited linux network driver experience, I would
be happy to make an attempt at writing a clean Linux GPL
driver for atheros cards.
Another benefit to this approach is it might cool tempers. Neither the
GPL not the BSD/ISC Licenses protect the information their authors have
painstakingly extracted about the hardware.
If both sides recognize that copyright - particularly Open Source
copyright licenses do not somehow make the ideas and information they
express proprietary, and that all that is really
in contention is credit and a reduction in labor, then maybe it would be
easier to get them to agree to modifying licenses.
Dave Lynch DLA Systems
Software Development: Embedded Linux
717.627.3770 dhlii@dlasys.net http://www.dlasys.net
fax: 1.253.369.9244 Cell: 1.717.587.7774
Over 25 years' experience in platforms, languages, and technologies too numerous to list.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
Albert Einstein
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[not found] ` <200709010140.l811eq9H005896-VON6Tr2NNtkmbxgs1yVkuA@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 16:48 ` Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing Constantine A. Murenin
[not found] ` <f34ca13c0709010948v67b04b58lb098713dc38c4d6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 17:21 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <46D99FB7.6030505-o2qLIJkoznsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 17:37 ` Constantine A. Murenin
[not found] ` <f34ca13c0709011037p221cb40fjf69651d1858df212-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 20:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 21:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 21:51 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 22:06 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20070901205457.GK9260-HeJ8Db2Gnd6zQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 21:27 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 21:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 23:29 ` Constantine A. Murenin
[not found] ` <f34ca13c0709011629g1f16508cic7c31c3d20a57dae-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 23:48 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
[not found] ` <43e72e890709011648k5caffb7fn1051e1f5d5f27c9b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 0:11 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 0:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 0:53 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 10:36 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20070902113638.78fbd202-v58gJUvfdfWUJIigds3554dd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 11:20 ` Igor Sobrado
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709021303001.4312-wnk7FUYfzmtu2DZcH3qp6zJQgOOX0AMFMQBsIrBqeMw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 11:50 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20070902115041.GM16016-HeJ8Db2Gnd6zQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 12:28 ` Igor Sobrado
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709021416130.6181-wnk7FUYfzmtu2DZcH3qp6zJQgOOX0AMFMQBsIrBqeMw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 12:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 12:46 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20070902134612.28a88761-v58gJUvfdfWUJIigds3554dd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 13:00 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 13:12 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709021446550.6181-wnk7FUYfzmtu2DZcH3qp6zJQgOOX0AMFMQBsIrBqeMw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 13:53 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 13:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
[not found] ` <m3642txj91.fsf-fiqtE+24Nu0B9AHHLWeGtNQXobZC6xk2@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 14:11 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <46DAC482.5090107-o2qLIJkoznsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 15:58 ` Igor Sobrado
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709021754250.6772-wnk7FUYfzmtu2DZcH3qp6zJQgOOX0AMFMQBsIrBqeMw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 18:23 ` Matthew Jacob
2007-09-05 13:22 ` David H. Lynch Jr. [this message]
2007-09-02 18:21 ` Al Viro
2007-09-02 12:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-01 22:03 ` Sam Leffler
[not found] ` <46D9E1B8.2060300-zZXckVAlHaQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-01 22:29 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <f34ca13c0709011427u <20070901215225.GM9260@stusta.de>
[not found] ` <20070901215225.GM9260-HeJ8Db2Gnd6zQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 0:36 ` Jason Dixon
[not found] ` <3A831845-B630-42AD-B52F-DC9EA2060BAE-a0y0GdpcbPLlcHVOVdbKLw@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 1:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 1:39 ` Constantine A. Murenin
[not found] ` <f34ca13c0709011839yb32f419s20c259cbaabdd132-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 1:42 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2007-09-02 1:53 ` Al Viro
2007-09-02 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 1:58 ` Casey Dahlin
2007-09-02 2:06 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <46DA18C2.1000104-e4nNhFGpWWo@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-02 2:44 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-02 1:55 ` Adrian Bunk
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2007-09-02 3:47 ` Valdis.Kletnieks-PjAqaU27lzQ
2007-09-02 5:09 ` Constantine A. Murenin
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2007-09-02 5:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks-PjAqaU27lzQ
2007-09-02 2:22 ` Jonathan Gray
2007-09-02 10:18 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-01 20:30 ` Fwd: " Alan Cox
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2007-09-01 20:57 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-02 0:02 Bob Beck
2007-09-02 0:36 ` Theo de Raadt
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2007-09-02 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 1:52 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 2:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 11:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-02 1:32 ` Adrian Bunk
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2007-09-02 14:47 ` Bodo Eggert
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