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From: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com>
To: "Rick Jones" <rick.jones2@hp.com>
Cc: <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: auto recycling of TIME_WAIT connections
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:26:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46E51BDC.10907@draigBrady.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46E18489.6060100@hp.com>

Rick Jones wrote:
>> The first issue, requires a large timeout, and
>> the TIME_WAIT timeout is currently 60 seconds on linux.
>> That timeout effectively limits the connection rate between
>> local TCP clients and a server to 32k/60s or around 500
>> connections/second.
> 
> Actually, it would be more like 60k/60s if the application were making
> explicit calls to bind() as arguably it should if it is going to be
> churning through so many connections.


> This was an issue over a decade ago with SPECweb96 benchmarking.  The
> initial solution was to make the explicit bind() calls and not rely on
> the anonymous/ephemeral port space.  After that, one starts adding
> additional IP's into the mix (at least where possible).  And if that
> fails, one has to go back to the beginning and ask oneself exactly why a
> client is trying to churn through so many connections per second in the
> first place.

right. This is for benchmarking mainly.
Sane applications would use persistent connections,
or a different form of IPC.

> 
> If we were slavishly conformant to the RFC's :) that 60 seconds would be
> 240 seconds...
> 
>> But that issue can't really happen when the client
>> and server are on the same machine can it, and
>> even if it could, the timeouts involved would be shorter.
>>
>> Now linux does have an (undocumented)
>> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_tw_recycle flag
>> to enable recycling of TIME_WAIT connections. This is global however
>> and could cause
>> problems in general for external connections.
> 
> Rampant speculation begins...
> 
> If the client can be convinced to just call shutdown(SHUT_RDWR) rather
> than close(), and be the first to do so, ahead of the server, I think it
> will retain a link to the TCP endpoint in TIME_WAIT.  It could then, in
> TCP theory, call connect() again, and go through a path that allows
> transition from TIME_WAIT to ESTABLISHED if all the right things wrt
> Initial Sequence Number selection happen.  Whether randomization of the
> ISN allows that today is questionable.

Sounds good, unfortunately connect() returns EISCONN
unless you do a close().

> 
>> So how about auto enabling recycling for local connections?
> 
> I think the standard response is that one can never _really_ know what
> is local and what not, particularly in the presence of netfilter and the
> rewriting of headers behind one's back.

Hmm, I was afraid someone would say that :)

thanks for the feedback,
Pádraig.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-10 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-07  9:21 auto recycling of TIME_WAIT connections Pádraig Brady
2007-09-07 17:04 ` Rick Jones
2007-09-10 10:26   ` Pádraig Brady [this message]
2007-09-10 17:23     ` Rick Jones

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