From: Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: greearb@candelatech.com, rick.jones2@hp.com, hadi@cyberus.ca,
johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se
Subject: Re: pktgen question
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:46:26 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <470AB342.1030209@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071008.152234.13748626.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:57:13 -0700
>
>> This skb recycling can certainly work and has been done several
>> times before. It never gets into the kernel though.
>
> Because it doesn't work.
>
> A socket can hang onto a receive packet essentially forever.
>
> You cannot therefore rely upon the network stack to give you the
> packet back in some reasonable finite amount of time. This is simply
> the nature of the beast.
>
> Which means that you either:
>
> 1) Starve and stop receiving packets when the recycling ring
> runs out because all of those packets are stuck in socket
> buffers. This is easily DoS'able by users on your system
>
> 2) End up allocating new packets anyways, but then what's the
> point of the recycling ring? It's just a hack that works
> when everything goes as planned, and in real life that is
> rarely the case.
>
> It also makes the driver locking more complicated. Packet
> input occurs in NAPI drivers via netif_receive_skb() which
> would be capable of recycling packets back to the same
> driver in a recycling scheme. But the recycling can occur
> from other contexts too. The netif_receive_skb() caller
> already has atomic access to the receive queue, but those
> other callback cases do not.
>
> That locking issue is just the tip of the iceberg. Once you
> start discussing solutions, all sorts of new issues begin to
> pop up.
>
> SKB recycling, just say no.
>
We're talking about just for pktgen...eh?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-08 22:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-23 16:12 pktgen question Steve Wise
2007-09-23 17:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-09-23 17:55 ` Steve Wise
2007-09-23 18:18 ` jamal
2007-09-24 6:30 ` Ben Greear
2007-09-24 13:54 ` Steve Wise
2007-09-24 14:39 ` Ben Greear
2007-09-24 15:00 ` Steve Wise
2007-09-24 15:37 ` Ben Greear
2007-09-24 18:02 ` Rick Jones
2007-09-24 18:22 ` Ben Greear
2007-10-08 21:43 ` Steve Wise
2007-10-08 21:57 ` Ben Greear
2007-10-08 22:22 ` David Miller
2007-10-08 22:46 ` Steve Wise [this message]
2007-10-08 22:54 ` David Miller
2007-09-24 15:42 ` Robert Olsson
2007-09-24 17:40 ` David Miller
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