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From: Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: greearb@candelatech.com, rick.jones2@hp.com, hadi@cyberus.ca,
	johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se
Subject: Re: pktgen question
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:46:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <470AB342.1030209@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071008.152234.13748626.davem@davemloft.net>



David Miller wrote:
> From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:57:13 -0700
> 
>> This skb recycling can certainly work and has been done several
>> times before.  It never gets into the kernel though.
> 
> Because it doesn't work.
> 
> A socket can hang onto a receive packet essentially forever.
> 
> You cannot therefore rely upon the network stack to give you the
> packet back in some reasonable finite amount of time.  This is simply
> the nature of the beast.
> 
> Which means that you either:
> 
> 1) Starve and stop receiving packets when the recycling ring
>    runs out because all of those packets are stuck in socket
>    buffers.  This is easily DoS'able by users on your system
> 
> 2) End up allocating new packets anyways, but then what's the
>    point of the recycling ring?  It's just a hack that works
>    when everything goes as planned, and in real life that is
>    rarely the case.
> 
> It also makes the driver locking more complicated.  Packet
> input occurs in NAPI drivers via netif_receive_skb() which
> would be capable of recycling packets back to the same
> driver in a recycling scheme.  But the recycling can occur
> from other contexts too.  The netif_receive_skb() caller
> already has atomic access to the receive queue, but those
> other callback cases do not.
> 
> That locking issue is just the tip of the iceberg.  Once you
> start discussing solutions, all sorts of new issues begin to
> pop up.
> 
> SKB recycling, just say no.
> 

We're talking about just for pktgen...eh?




  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-08 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-23 16:12 pktgen question Steve Wise
2007-09-23 17:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-09-23 17:55   ` Steve Wise
2007-09-23 18:18     ` jamal
2007-09-24  6:30       ` Ben Greear
2007-09-24 13:54         ` Steve Wise
2007-09-24 14:39           ` Ben Greear
2007-09-24 15:00             ` Steve Wise
2007-09-24 15:37               ` Ben Greear
2007-09-24 18:02                 ` Rick Jones
2007-09-24 18:22                   ` Ben Greear
2007-10-08 21:43                     ` Steve Wise
2007-10-08 21:57                       ` Ben Greear
2007-10-08 22:22                         ` David Miller
2007-10-08 22:46                           ` Steve Wise [this message]
2007-10-08 22:54                             ` David Miller
2007-09-24 15:42           ` Robert Olsson
2007-09-24 17:40           ` David Miller

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